Where does King fall on this? Happening or not??? Sources say???
Sure if you want to say goodbye to Letang or Malkin.
Why not deperes,bennett,kennedy and D prospect for Kessel and Kulemin?
Side topic...but has anyone else notices how bouncy the ice is at Consol this year? I think Neal even complained about it last night.
I dont get all the Jack Johnson hate..He hasnt played any worse then Letang has over the last 45 games. As Skip mentioned below, he's on an awful team and still has decent stats. You want a tough SOB on defense...he's your guy.
For whatever reason Orpik has toned down his physical dman play. Engelland and Bortuzzo can handle the role however. Engelland was very good last night clearing people away from the net. I'd like to see that from him on a more consistent basis.
Maybe, just maybe addin JJ would light a fire under Orpiks ass again and he'll pick up his play. He's been pretty bad the last handful of games. And last night he got rocked pretty good. Hes got a rep as a physical D man and he's let up lately and seems to have become a target.
i don't want to move despres at all! he is playing nicely and he is only 21! you never know, in a few years he may even turn into a mean SOB with his size. big monster D are tough to come by. keep despres!
Despres for JJ straight up is an awful trade. That doesn't even deserve to be talked about as a rumor. Only way I'm moving Despres is in a blockbuster deal.
After Letang and Martin, I think JJ would be the 3rd best defensemen on our team. I still think Orpik is a solid top 4 defensemen but his play has definitely declined a little over the last couple seasons.
What does Yoda think about this? Or is he still thinking about how bad Fleury is ?
Umm who said jj wasnt clearing the front of the net...pretty sure i just watched some youtube on him punishing ppl in front of the net lol
if we give up despres for jj ill burn down consol
Richii - You gotta give something to get something
Yay or nay on JJ. Yay for me.
but on the other hand its always good to have alot of young D because its hard to have and when u have all that D you have tools to trade and get what you want in the future if you have the right cap space as well
And D suggests dangling bennett...poor organizational planning/asset mgmt if that happens
we drafted 2 D man this year in the first round when we got dumoulin as well
Yeah that would've been nice or instead of drafting ANOTHER d-men, we could've gotta forward b.c our forward depth is terrible in the system.
Or not have taken that 1st round pick from them.
No, I meant Sutter AND Gleason and we could have sent something the other way with Staal.
just like pens other teams wants to win the cup too so i dont think canes would give faulk or gleason
Have u watched him play for a couple of seasons? Smh...
We needed a 3rd line center though Skip, you'd rather have Sutter than Gleason for the long-term and short-term.
Yes exactly and he was confident we'd get him too.
Gleason is who Shero should have got in that deal for Staal. Our defense would be filthy if we had him on our team.
Faulk will be one of their top 2 D men in a year or two. No way Carolina was trading him and sutter lol
And he said Carolina will add Faulk to the Sutter deal for Staal. Which would never happen.
How has JJ become worse since then? He's a -5 in 39 games on the worst team in the NHL and has 22 points, 60 hits, and 73 blocked shots over that same time period.
Rather pens trade a 3rd rounder + prospect for Douglas Murray. We need a dominant physical player back there to clear the slot area. We don't need another puck mover
Rossi is usually wrong on trades. A couple deadlines ago he thought we were trading Kunitz for Dustin Penner on a pens tv video
Now Puck Daddy is in on this JJ stuff
Richii, I'm 100% with you man.
if pens trade despres this will just be the begning of a disaster
That being said Penguins Management has been very good at trading up and coming d-men so maybe they know what they are doing.
Maybe you are right Rothey, but if that is the case Rossi would be wrong as usual
Please no JJ, i have watched the kings and been to a bunch of columbus games. JJ with all his talent, is defensive zone liability. For as much as this board reams our defense, why do want a player who wouldnt be better than despres?
Trading Bennet for Johnson makes even less sense to me especially in the long-term. Short-term may help a cup run this year. We really need young forward prospects and do not have anyone. If you trade for Johnson then you have Letang, Johnson, and Depres as potential long-term Dman while you also have a ton of guys over the next 4 years who can become top 4 dman. Seems like a bad idea to me.
I'd prefer simply seeing what Depres can do if we play him top 4 minutes for an entire month going into the trade deadline. Might as well figure out if he's ready for that role righ tnow before trading him.
Martin-Orpik should be a very good second pairing. Defensively I think we need to focus on team discipline rather than change the players. I think our top 4 dmen including Depres are talented enough for a cup run.
Nobody but upper management knows whats going on. Despres could be moved for iginla and they could be looking to get johnson as a replacement
I'd like to give TK a shot too... uh, Tommy K that is.
We just signed Tom Kostpolous to a 2-way deal. BTW
Talbot, Rupp, Asham, Roberts, Ruutu - need that kind of mold - not Adams, Vitale, Glass, TK. I'm not impressed with Glass at all. Thought he would be a lot more noticeable physically.
But he has become worse since then, not as sexy of a name anymore now he's on a shitty team lol.
If we trade despres for johnson shero should be fired. Plus ill fly a fighter jet into consol
Why not give Kostopolous a shot?
everybody wanted jack johnson back when he played with the kings and there were trade rumors lol
I can remember big hits against Adams and Glass, not by them.
Jeffrey/TK/Vitale/Adams/Glass are invisible 80% of the games.
Agreed... I'd rather focus on bottom 6 more than top 6.
thank you king! excellent post
Sam, Weiss is done for the season. Might end up there next year or something, but not this year.
If RS doesn't fix the bottom 6 it will be 1 and done period. They need a bottom 6 that can wear a D out with constant forecheck and agitate some star players into taking penalties. Without them hounding the puck and gassing the opposing D our top 6 will not be able to break out in most games.
weiss will end up with sens
Well forget Weiss going anywhere. Season ending wrist surgery.
Douglas Murray could be a great guy to play a 4th/5th D man role. Would help extremely with clearing the front of the net issues
JJ was a bum in LA?? hmm Anyone check out Mr Drew Doughty's stats over the last 2 years? I wouldn't trade Doughty straight up for Letang now, but everyone was giving him the Norris over the next 10 years a few years ago
Systems sometimes make players and with JJ's skills the Pens system is better suited for him than LA's or Columbus
i dont think preds would make the playoffs this year you guys think there is intresting players from there
i send you guys the link to read
i told you maybe despres playing for a reason
Rossi is just making this up. He usually does. He's based off past information. Douglas Murray would be perfect.
Yes Mbizzle that is exactly what I'm saying. Copy+Paste (grit/mean/edge/size/agitation)
Im thinking more of a Douglas Murray type guy. Big D man who strictly plays a stay at home style and kill penalties and is very physical
It's Rossi, so most likely a guess.
opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. Its unfortunate a lot of us dont agree on certain things but thats life.
Despres for Johnson? Excuse me while I go throw up.
Balt, basically our 3rd and 4th lines have regressed is what you're saying. Last night the 3rd line had ONE good shift, the 4th line had NONE. That's big trouble ahead.
Yea I know, i meant a guy like scuds where when playing his best you never heard his name.
Pitt is missing players in the mold of Guerin, Talbot, Scuderi, Gill, Cooke Pre suspension, Roberts, Ruutu (Players that helped them get to the finals, a few off the top of my head) not JJ.
scuderi wasnt known for physicality. He was known for great stick checking and shot blocking
Plus if JJ starts to play well everyone will think his 4.3m cap hit is a bargain.
The Pens need a quiet guy who plays physical and is big on the back end. They need a Scuderi like guy back that plays a little more physical. And by quiet i mean that if hes doing his job well you dont hear his name much
That's a good proposed trade king, I dig it.
Hmm. D must've been reading the comments. Thanks for making some sense out of it
JJ is not what the Pens need. Doesn't make sense. Dorsett makes sense.
We wanted him re-signed, or at least Shero tried. I guess people hated him b.c he skated 2mph but he played some great defense and helped get in the face of Holmstrom for 2 straight yrs.
Pens have to sign a lot of guys in the next 2 years. Id rather the 4.5 million go to securing Letangs/kunitz/duper raises
Lets be Frank, if we arre adding JJ then a Niskanen is definitely going the other way. If there is another player Columbus will want its Ollie Matta. Their GM knows him well
So maybe Matta, Nisky and TK for JJ and Dorsett. For the Pens they get tougher to play against on the bottom 3 and have another physical minute eating D man, the Jackets get a future cornerstone and a guy who can produce for them right away and a charity case in monkey face boy.
The only thing left is iIginla and I like our cup chances
i apologize. gill was hated here and not RESIGNED. Then all of the sudden everybody wants him back
Yeah but JJ also played well at the Olympics playing with Orpik. I agree Rothey. Not the best comparison ever but James Neal never scored more than 27 goals in Dallas and his first full season in Pittsburgh he scored 40 goals. Coming to Pittsburgh and playing with elite guys brings out the best in a lot of players.
Not to mention I dont want him at 4.5 million for another like 6 years when we have a herd of D men coming up
JJ failed in LA playing alongside a very good D core there.
Just my opinion but jj would silence a lot of critics playing here in this system paired up with orpik or tang
Id rather have niskanen then JJ. Hell of a lot cheaper and nisk is better defenively. We getr plenty of offense from our D as it is.
Nisky, Dumoulin, and a 2nd-3rd round pick for JJ. They can have TK if they want him too.
Seems a little obvious that Beau isn't in the package.....why would you sit him if he were being showcased?
Nisky n beau for JJ...ill pass
I like that proposal by D of putting Nisky and Bennett out there. I don't see Bennett becoming a top 6 winger for at least 2-3 more years. His skating needs to improve tremendously.
Johnson isn't the type of guy I'd expect Despres to be moved for.
Johnson is a defensive liability. He would make the swiss cheese defense even worse