Penguins/NHL
NHL expansion in Las Vegas is certainly going to happen with the NHL’s target date being the 2017-2018 season. Quebec City also under consideration is considered a longshot.
From Pierre LeBrun of ESPN on two critical elements of the potential expansion draft rules.
[I: “Teams will have the option of either protecting seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie in total; or go with the option of protecting eight skaters (whether they’re defensemen or forwards) and one goalie.”]
[II: “First- and second-year pros — those are players playing pro hockey at any level — will be exempt from the expansion draft; the bottom line is that if they are signed and playing pro hockey, they’re exempt in their first two years. But if they’re entering their third year of pro hockey, they’re no longer exempt for the expansion draft. Teams would have to either protect them or expose them.”]
The goal here from the NHL is to make the expansion team competitive from day 1 with this type of expansion draft increasing the likelihood of that happening.
If expansion happens for the 2017-2018 season, it would accelerate the Penguins pending goaltender situation as Matt Murray would be a third year pro and no longer exempt from the draft.
The expansion draft would force the Penguins hand in having to make a decision before next years trade deadline. There’s no way the team could take the risk of not protecting Murray, the NHL’s top goaltending prospect with the significant trade value he has and long-term value he has to the organization.
Murray’s presence gives Pittsburgh the opportunity to create needed cap space by moving Marc Andre Fleury and going young and cheap in goal.
The Penguins’, though, privately are saying Fleury will remain an untouchable no matter the circumstances due to how valuable Jim Rutherford believes Fleury is in the room and those above Rutherford are against moving a popular figure like Fleury with the team for sale.
Who knows, maybe another early playoff exit starts changing the mindset from higher-up’s. Regardless, this will be a fascinating situation to watch.
Another situation to watch is what happens with players who have full no trade clauses. Agents are fighting like hell behind the scenes that players with full No Trade Clauses/No Movement Clauses are going to be automatically protected from the expansion draft, while the league believes the CBA allows leeway for players with NTC/NMC to be eligible for the expansion draft. The league is going to try to get it.
That could be a potential win for the Penguins regarding one specific player To read this insider news, subscribe to get “Inside Access”!
Sucks you can’t have a real discussion on the topic of trading certain players with the implications of a near flat salary cap and impending expansion draft without all the venomous diatribe thrown around. I think MAF has been great this season, but the Pens may have to gamble and trade him if they think Murray can handle being the number 1 tender. They can reclaim some assets along with a little bit of cap room. Same goes for Geno, I love and what he brings to the team, same scenario as MAF though, they’re going to need cap wiggle… Read more »
trading st.blurry will never happen. you see how much the fan base loves him. they would rather lose with blurry than win with murray. only bad organizations keep the 31 year old over the 21 year old. we know what the pens will do. murray will be gone.
only siths deal in absolutes…
Odd that you didn’t jump on here and rip Murray to shreds for letting in that first softie. “He never even gives the team a chance – lets in THAT goal on his first shot” blah blah blah. You’re such a hackneyed fool.
I think your last statement really some up the reasons this current management/ownership group will never consider going that route, as you said either or both moves have potential long lasting and franchise altering implecations involved with them, I just can’t see this group having the stomach to potentially wreck the organization for the next decade plus if those moves blow up in their faces, which is a very real possibility when dealing away elite level players.
Who do you guys think pumps Matt Murray’s tires more: yoda, or Matt Murray’s mom? As a second question, how many of you think that yoda is Matt Murray’s mom?
I need to know why you think St blurry is worth 4.5 million more that Murray?
Probably because “St. Blurry” is pretty much the lone reason we’re not in the mix for Austin Matthews, and Matt Murray has won exactly 4 more NHL games than you, sam and Maloni combined. But I’m just spitballing.
answer this question yoda why do u think Dubnyk is worth more than fleury? what has dubnyk accomplished that he deserved more 20 so good games last year when he joined the new team ? othe rthan that he has been nothing but garbage trough out his career while fleury garanty u 40 win a year and a playoff
“trough out his career.” Oh – and Dubnyk doesn’t make more than Fleury. Chubbs.
Pens 23-10-5 last 38 including 12-3-1 vs Metro!
Sam probably went nuts not being able to post here for an extended period of time. I wonder how many times he wrote Hot Dog Kart! on a wall with a crayon while pulling his hair out over that period of time.
Yeah.
Congrats. This is probably your most relevant post since joining TIOPS.
D has the sh*tty website excuse but will still deserve heat for running a terrible website.
I was convinced the inevitable finally happened and D decided to face facts.
d and facts go together like d and grammar
Or like Sam and punctuation.
Or like Simply Dustin and common sense
Or like Yoda and hockey knowledge
I guess DePaoli’s western union finally came through
Bad Gateway
bryan Rust http://theleafsnation.com/2015/11/1/photo-phil-kessel-s-teammate-mocks-steve-simmons-classic-hot-dog-column-with-brilliant-halloween-costume
I can’t see there being any expansion until a 2nd city is locked in. How can you have an uneven number of teams in a league?
Very easily? Why would it matter?
the NHL does not need to expand to the southwest. the NHL should actually eliminate about 8 teams.
Close, but there’s only 7 in Canada. Getting rid of them would solve a lot of problems
Band. wagonns
Yeah take those 7 Canadian teams out and you’ll have another 8 American teams gone too starting with your Florida teams. If it wasn’t for Canadian teams yours shithole teams that bettman brought wouldn’t exist. Coyotes, canes, lightnings, Devils, sabres Panthers, stars sharks, ducks always empty arenas. And if you have kings ,islanders pens struggle just a bit you’ll have their arenas. Empty too. Only loyal fans are rags, wilds and flyer fans
It’s not like anyone is showing up in Montreal:
http://i.cbc.ca/1.3432953.1454550052!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/bell-centre.jpg
Lightnings? Wilds? Uhhh? Nevermind.
st.blurry for life! wooooooo!
1 think I don’t get with this jew bettman He wants badly a team in Vegas if the idea was soo good why haven’t NFL,MLB or NBS hasn’t done it when they are bigger than the NHL. Hasn’t he learn his lesson it’s bad idea having teams in sunny areas coyotes, Panthers stars, tampax been brutal and Canadian teams supporting them for the longest time .with Canadian dollar down now you want to add Vegas too
Do you ever do anything other than post on here? Jesus. You call all these people lazy, but you literally sit on this board 18 hours a day. And you still can’t type or produce anything that resembles decent grammar.
I mean – he’s obese – what else is he supposed to do – go for a walk? The hell you say!
This is a lot to take in. So probably a stupid question but if the the Penguins had more than 7 forwards, 3 defensemen and a goalie under contract, how would the rest of the contract players be exposed? Would it be an offer sheet type deal? Or would another team be able to take on that contract without the Pens being able to do anything? The whole thing seems asinine to me. Keeping 11 players is essentially keeping half of your team. And if a guy plays a year in the minors and plays his rookie year, he would… Read more »
By sending pens half of the roster maybe they are hoping or wanting half the bandwagon fans to follow Vegas Let’s hope Stan and npl are in that group
When anyone on here is asking a question, you are the last person who they want to answer. Nowhere in your incoherent rambling did you come close to anything that could be classified as an answer. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.
Sam is not the last person id want to hear from. He doesnt even make the list.
They don’t care all the care is $$$. Most of Vegas tickets will be sold to the hotels and people there will go as some activity or an event just like when you go to a museum event. The atmosphere will be like the Panthers games except with more people at the games picking their nose and facebooking it. Let’s hope they make the seats wider in Vegas expecting more fat slobs over there
You guys are making me hungry for a chili dog.
bryan Rust http://theleafsnation.com/2015/11/1/photo-phil-kessel-s-teammate-mocks-steve-simmons-classic-hot-dog-column-with-brilliant-halloween-costume
Glad we got a bullshit article yesterday that Jay agreed with telling us the cap will not rise and the players will not vote for the escelator clause. Idiots.
probably his stats book indicated that
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/oce2HL27ETNzv6sB.JU5Iw–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2015-08-11/1789f240-403c-11e5-ad95-ed5c7f0d7849_CMEm4b3WUAAnXIH.png
at least NPL is not in that pic or else the hot dog cart wouldve been out of order
bryan Rust http://theleafsnation.com/2015/11/1/photo-phil-kessel-s-teammate-mocks-steve-simmons-classic-hot-dog-column-with-brilliant-halloween-costume
What are you even talking about? Did you get jealous that Sam & Yoda are getting all the attention for being dumb?
I think Stan would be happy if Crosby Letang and fleury are gone to those expansion teams
Bryan Rust http://theleafsnation.com/2015/11/1/photo-phil-kessel-s-teammate-mocks-steve-simmons-classic-hot-dog-column-with-brilliant-halloween-costume
If you are an expansion team, would you target a vet goalie like MAF? Look to the right an there is an intereting name without having to do any research. Is Griess the Goalie for NYI or Berube? 2017-2018 will put Flower at 33 years old. The NTC will likely make this point moot, but not sure MAF would be a lock to go, depending on what other teams have prospect wise in a couple of years.
Fleury would go to Quebec
Trade fleury now. Like right now.
i rather see Kessel gone before malkin and fleury
No way will the union allow an expansion draft to “over rule” a players contract.
imagine every team dumps their salary
Agree
Ya but it really screws teams with a bunch of NMC. Even moreso if you have a guy like Scuderi with a NMC. The goalie situation would be the big problem for us. If its 7-3-1 we may have a problem on defense. Forwards should be fine we lack depth we need to protect. Only must protects would be Malkin, crosby, Horn, Sprong. Then you are talking about a guy like Hagelin/Kessel. At their cap hits neither would be a bad loss. On defense if you can only protect 3 then Pouliot becomes a problem You can not expose a… Read more »
if murray would be a third year pro, then sprong would be a second year pro. murray was a pro last year as well as this year. sprong was only a pro this year. based on that interpretation, he should be automatically exempt. but I agree, and I don’t really see 7 forwards in dire need of protection.
Sprong was no a pro this year, he was returned to juniors before the team’s 40th game so even though it cost a year of his elc he did not meet the game requirements for this to be classified as a pro season. He will still be a 1st year pro next season.
Fleury will end up Quebec’s Goalie if Murray does good and progress fast
Bye bye Chubby you wont be missed
Send benett to Vegas to since its a gambling city and his career is a gamble to have in the roster every time he plays .You just dont know is he is healthy for the following game or not
Definitely going to be an interesting process not just from the Pens standpoint but also in seeing how Las Vegas goes about forming their team. If done right there’s no doubt that team could be very competitive very quickly.