Penguins/NHL
Jim Rutherford and Ducks GM Bob Murray are wheeling and dealing with each other for the second consecutive year. Too bad Murray couldn’t have been talked into taking back Ben Lovejoy.
In a move of two forwards in their prime having major disappointing seasons, the Penguins in the middle of the night acquired forward Carl Hagelin in exchange for forward David Perron and defenseman Adam Clendening. Hagelin has four goals and eight assists this season.
Hagelin is signed through the 2018-19 season and has an average annual value of $4 million. Hagelin has a modified no trade clause that kicks in on July 1, 2016. For the Ducks they get an expiring contract in Perron to give them more flexibility moving forward.
Hagelin, 27, played in 43 games in his first season with the Ducks and less than six months after receiving a four year, $16 million contract, Anaheim determined Hagelin was not built for the Western Conference.
Good thing for the Penguins Hagelin has proven to be a productive player in the East.
The Penguins have had a left wing problem and while they get smaller which is a problem for this group, in Hagelin the Penguins get much faster on the wing. A player who will improve their north-south game, Hagelin fits Mike Sullivan’s aggressive approach at even strength and on the penalty kill. Sullivan coached Hagelin in New York. The Penguins are also getting a very good possession player. Hagelin has had a CF% above 50 in all five NHL seasons, including 54.4% this season with Anaheim.
Where does Hagelin fit in the lineup?
He’s a third line player who worked best in New York in a bottom-6 role. Last season Hagelin played most prominently with Kevin Hayes and JT Miller/Jesper Fast. In Pittsburgh he’s a lock to immediately play in the top-6 with Perron now gone and Beau Bennett still injured.
With the speed he possesses maybe the Penguins look to see if Hagelin has a Pascal Dupuis type effect with Sidney Crosby.
In his previous two seasons, Hagelin put up back-to-back 17 goal seasons with the Rangers, collecting 33 points in 13-14 and 35 points in 14-15. The ceiling looks to be right around there. A cap hit of $4 million per season for the next three seasons is where the pause comes with Hagelin.
When he was playing with a $2.25 million cap hit like he was with the Rangers in 2013-2015, he was great value, but at $4 million per he needs to be a 20 goal, 50 point type two-way player. It’s one of the reasons a cap tight team like the Rangers needed to move him this past summer. When you’re making $4 million per season the expectations start to change.
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WHAT WENT WRONG FOR PERRON
Jim Rutherford paid a hefty price for David Perron last January in dealing a non lottery protective first round pick (deepest draft since 2003) for Perron who had just five goals in 38 games with the Oilers at the time. Perron would go on to score just 16 goals in 88 regular season games with the Penguins, including zero in five playoffs games.
Perron averaged 0.13 goals with the Oilers last season. This season he was even worse with Pittsburgh at 0.09. It reached the point where it was just unacceptable that a player as talented as Perron is underachieving like he’s been the last two seasons now.
The struggles from Perron last season and early into this season looked to have gotten into his head. He got to the point where he was trying to make the perfect shot almost every time and that’s what happens when players consistently miss the net high.
The Ducks get the more offensive upside in this trade. There’s no question a player with Perron’s skill set could just catch fire and put up 30 goals in a season, though, unlikely. Pittsburgh is getting a much more consistent player that you know what you’re getting on a nightly basis.
It’s one of those deals with pros and cons for each team. The cons for Pittsburgh obviously being the Hagelin contract.
As for Adam Clendening, once the new coach also had no interest in playing him, the Penguins were destined to move him. The thinking from the Penguins end was opening a spot among the 50 allotted contracts for pending moves. Also gives some more flexibility to eventually recall Derrick Pouliot.
Right on cue, Lejunk the French pussy is out again. What a complete waste.
Wish the Pens game was at two. Would have been a perfect Sunday. Seattle game is over by 2pm, Pens start then ends around 4:30′ Steelers start.
Hope Fleury doesn’t play today do he can play tomorrow vs blues
Habs outplayed the blues yet lost in overtime thanks to the Russian choking when game matters most.
The Canadians lost because that’s what they’ve been doing for over 2 decades. That’s why its a museum.
Losing and I museum pens wining and they get a museum environment people are too busy or choking on their hot dogs at the game
The Pens will automatically be better without that French-Canadian asshat.
Last time pens won the cup they had so many frenchys and last I checked frenchy scored game winner for pens and frenchy made the important save vs lidstrom
Last time you checked, who won the Conn Smythe for the Pens that year?
Last time I checked 09 you were not on this site and this place was a better place
Last time the Habs won a cup, OJ wasn’t a murderer.
Have a feeling that jew bettman has something to do with this John scott trade
Murray 2 Rutherford 0
So Murray making an expensive four year commitment on a bad fit and shipping him away for an invisible Canadian is a win for him? push at best.
I’ll give the slight edge to gmjr on this one. IF Hagelin turns into Dupuis 2.0 this will go down as a steal. Regardless Hagelin is the type of player you need come playoffs. He is also the type of player that will make a good pk unit border on great.
Far less issue with the player than the commitment.
Agreed but if he becomes the player that he was in NYR and dupuis like that term becomes a non issue
Dupuis ‘so contract was too much and this one is worse.
Actually warming up to this trade. Like hornqvisy, Hagelin is the type of player you need for playoff hockey.
If pens make playoffs.
You know what I like about the 3am? It makes Dustin’s “pappy is sleeping” type posts even less funny.
“Moving Clendening,” Rutherford said, “is going to pave the way for Derrick Pouliot to be in Pittsburgh shortly. It’s almost time.” via Yohe
This doesn’t sound like a GM thats actively seeking to trade Pouliot. What are your thoughts, D?
Granted a few days ago gmjr was quoted in saying he didn’t want to rush DP. That said, DP is no longer eligible for a $425k performance bonus which probably had something to do with it.
I’ll tell you my thoughts. How the hell was it a roadblock to begin with? Pouliot was his own roadblock.
Agree that the seldom-used Clendening didnt exactly repeesent a roadblock and Pouliot was standing in his own way. My question is, what GM says “youre going to see him playing for us very soon,” if he has “every intention of trading” him? Yiu can say its attempting to up his trade value by saying hes NHL ready, but teams do their own scouting. Teams arent banking on the rival GMs thoughts and analysis to learn about the player they might trade for.
I agree with you there.
Sitting here in New Market, ON stuffing my face with pouting thinking how nice it must be to be Sam, getting to eat this wonderful food all the time without caring that you’re 600kg.
Wtf are doing in Canada I’m surprised they didnt send you back since you are obese. You notice Canada has less huge fat people
Same is ignorant to the fact that Obeisity rates in both countries are closer then he is capable of thinking lol
SAM
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Jay you mud be uncomfortable seeing not a lot of fat people and no arrogant people
Seeing fat people everywhere I go, it’s kinda nice because it makes me look skinny and in general some of the most ignorant people I’ve ever seen.
At least you are in Ontario. If you were in Quebec you’d be surrounded by fat French weirdos.
Hagelin will play with the russian and chubby can you imagine those 3 lazy players when game matters they will disappear pens will have 3 lines come playoffs
Ill take Hagelin over the invisible Canadian they just traded.
Sam picked the wrong day to pick on Russians. After one just buttfucked this team last night. And while ours outperformed his Canadian hero again.
jokes aside, at least perron is out of here. man was he invisible.
Like losing Farnham all over again
hagelin must really suck if the pens were able to get him for perron and clendening.
He’s no Farnham
Panarin > McDavid
Russia > Canada
Id like this deal more if it werent for his contract. But love Hagelins speed and think he could mesh well with Sid and Horny. This team is playing hard and fast, and it just got another player that does just that.
Hagelin at 3.5 a year would seem like a great deal. Hagelin at 4 a year seems on the high side.
He’s just a smaller faster Dupuis. Anaheim has number 1 PK right now at 89.4% which is a significant lead over anyone else. Hagelin will help a ton their. We have a good PK, but not great.
If hes the player we saw against the Penguins in the playoffs, im excited. Hopefully a return to the East makes the difference
Id also like the Fernando Pisani and Ville Leino from the playoffs. But that’s just not plausible. This isn’t a great contract.
Won’t argue the contract. But still hopeful that he proves to be the player he was in the playoffs last year, for the Penguins this year. And I guess hopefully for another 3 years after this…
I like DP getting moved, and not completely blown away by CH. Hate the contract term for CH unless he comes in and plays to expectations. Most of the trades have not met expectations. Campaigning for a new GM search starting now for this off season.
Come summer I would love pens sign back perron but on a discounted price around 2m2.5 then this Hagelin deal would be like a steal
Perron sucks. French Canadian pussy
Seriously? I was as big a Perron guy as the next but he fucken sucked out loud here. As much as I think the return on what we gave is light I am happy Perron is gone. He just wasnt gonna get it done here… why would you take him back?
Fuckk… gayjoy he should’ve been trade yet pens trade Clendening
Wtf , , this clown is not consistent just ask tortz
Hagelin wears #62, Perron #57. Pens get the better of this deal, don’t you think Nlpples?
I’m going to withhold judgment until Nlpples tells me what to think about the trade.
That fat fuckk has no clue other than junk food. N…. Peniss Lover abbreviation for npl
You two probably sumo wrestled.
Don’t be pissed npl left you for Micheal Sam. His love towards him is more than it was ever with you that he is even using Michaels last name. Their marriage is rock solid
Better chance you left him for orpig
Jan Hejda
I feel bad for cleandening he’s a guy people want as a trade throw in and is too good for the ahl but everywhere he goes he sits the bench as a 7d
Byfuglien is a pipe dream
The contract is the huge concern with hagelin.
Couldn’t we make Anaheim retain a little 500k-1 million? He would seem like a decent guy in the low 3s.
Hagelin reminds me of a small Dupuis. This seems like a move for Crosby.
A move for crosby would be getting jack Johnson from.cbj
Happy we ended the Perron experiment but on paper it’s a lateral move minus the contract. Throwing Clendenning in to sweeten the pot was kind of silly despite MS not caring to play him. He could have been used as a chip to shore up the D
Salary cap reasons that’s why. Pens won’t play clendening. He’s eating up salary and a roster spot
And I’m fine with why he was moved in that respect, as a throw in for a guy who has been somewhat enigmatic himself in his career? Ya I don’t see why that happened. If this team has another move in their pocket, presumably for another D then why wasn’t Clenndening saved for that move?
Maybe because just Perron wasn’t enough to get him?
So we fire off another asset like Clendenning? Its not like Hagelin has been so lights out that Perron for him straight up shouldnt have worked. The fact that one has term and the other doesnt is the only X factor here. We essentially did the Ducks a favour by helping them dump what looks like a bad contract. So unless Hagelin suddenly jump starts his career as a Penguin we could have been fucked hard here. A lesser player than Clendenning should have done the trick. I mean christ, Perron has better numbers than Hagelin here.
And a trade with Columbus should be next 🙂
You’re so full of shit
Any insight to names?
Insight!!!
Proutt is one that’s verified. Also inquired into Rychel 5 games into the season. But wether there has been continued interest I have no idea
Tochett a huge fan of Prout and thinks even as a 6-7 he could give our backend a different look
There’s a better chance they trade for Shep Proudfoot
Not sure I see pouliot going to cbj when they already have a couple studs in Murray and jones.
Not to mention how bare the D prospect pool suddenly looks
Agreed but I’d still do rychel for pouliot
Then what do we do about the D? From what I can see we could still use an upgrade back there. We are so focused on the forward group at the moment… Kessel needs to score, Hornqvist has started to score, Fehr is capable of chipping in more and so is Geno. That noted we’ve been scoring again… If Hagelin can be a little better at finishing than what we had in Perron then I’d say we’d be making a mistake by not looking at the D again.
No doubt I want them to add a top 4 d
I’m reading a lot of mixed reviews on this. It all depends on which hags shows up NYR one or Ducks one. If it’s the aforementioned then I can see dupuis 2.0. If it’s the latter, we just got screwed for an overpaid 3rd liner with worse offensive instinct than perron.
Boom
Hahahahahahahaha. Boom! That’s boom worthy!
A change of scenery might help. He is pretty quick, so I’d say give him a chance with Crosby and see what happens. It’s not like the pens have a great group of left wingers.
Crosby has played better with guys like hagelin than with scorers on his lines.
Just the cap hit seems like an overpayment.
It’s a pretty big gamble to trade for four years of someone at that price tag who’s career high is 17 goals.
I like the trade.
At least we got rid of that French Canadian pussy.
Woah