What the Guentzel injury means for the Penguins
Jake Guentzel, the Penguins leading scorer with 20 goals and 43 points, has been potentially lost for the entire season due to a shoulder injury suffered in the third period of Monday night’s 5-2 win when scoring his 20th goal of the season. Guentzel who crashed into the boards on the goal, had shoulder surgery Tuesday morning at UPMC Presbyterian Hospital and will be sidelined for 4-6 months, the team says.
The best case scenario of Guentzel being out around four months takes him to the second/third round of the playoffs. For an injury that often takes players around nine months to feel right again, Pittsburgh will be moving forward that Guentzel is lost for the season. If he returns in the middle of a playoff run, what an amazing bonus it would be, but Pittsburgh has to operate that his season is done.
It’s a crushing injury for the Penguins and Guentzel on a personal level who on Monday was named to the All-Star game and has been Pittsburgh’s most dominant player this season. And one thing with Guentzel that always got overlooked was his durability in you could always count on him to suit up for 80+ games.
“He’s been one of our more consistent players here for a long time,” said Mike Sullivan of Jake Guentzel. “He’s quietly become one of the elite players in the league.”
— Moving forward, what the Penguins have showed all season, including a 10-2 December without Sidney Crosby, is that they have developed a regular season formula in making them one of the hardest teams to play against, no matter whose in the lineup.
That’s the good news for the next three months and some change left in the regular season.
Despite constantly losing players to injury, they are playing with so much structure and speed in all three zones, it’s overwhelming teams similar to the ‘2016 Penguins’, that it bodes well to keep things rolling for the rest of the regular season, especially if they continue to get the goaltending they are from Tristan Jarry.
Mike Sullivan did the greatest coaching job I’ve witnessed in Penguins history during the 2016 run the Penguins had and the first couple months of this season has been right up there. Pittsburgh’s systematic play is like clock work right now and how they’re doing it with the personnel they have on the backend is such a credit to the coaching staff and buy-in from the forward group that is rarely taking shifts off.
Whether it can last for another 5-6 months to get back to the Stanley Cup remains to be seen, but even before the Guentzel injury, there was still going to be questions with the makeup of this club come postseason time if they had enough high-level scoring to overcome teams slowing down their big three of Crosby/Malkin/Guentzel.
The postseason is just a different ball game than it is right now and you have to wonder if basically dumping Phil Kessel for nothing eventually catches up for them in the spring.
With the trade deadline now just under eight weeks, a sense of urgency now emerges to add a top-6 or even a high-end third line level type of player before March.
Soon enough the Penguins being linked to Chris Kreider is going to emerge, but the organization isn’t in love enough with Kreider to pay a premium, sources say, and there is lots of interest around the league. For sure, they’re going to monitor the asking price in the coming weeks, he’s an obvious target for anybody looking to upgrade their top-6, but there’s been one rental forward regardless of injuries that Pittsburgh has been enamored with and that is [hide] Ottawa’s Jean-Gabriel Pageau.
Pageau is the one rental potentially on the market even prior to the Guentzel injury that team sources pegged as the one player on the market Pittsburgh would be comfortable in paying a premium for.
Since the 2017 Eastern Conference Finals, Pageau has emerged as one of those players around the league that Penguins GM Jim Rutherford has had his eye on for a couple years now, sources say, and it was Pageau and not Derick Brassard, that Rutherford initially tried to acquire from Ottawa during the 2017-2018 season when Ottawa went into fire sale mode.
Multiple NHL sources indicate it’s a near certainty Pittsburgh takes a very hard run at Pageau who can play multiple forward positions, can create his own individual offense very well and is a trusted player by coaches. Amongst the reasons Pittsburgh has him No. 1 on their trade board by a wide margin.
Pageau, 27, is having a career year with 18 goals and 29 points in 40 games, including a +19. He carries a $3.1 million cap hit. [/hide]
please for the love of god don’t roast me on this….I’m throwing this out there. heard it from a friend on another site who has a friend Sweeney involved with this…. this was a conversation that he said took place before the holidays between the Blackhawks and Penguins.. again not my thread just wondering what all you keyboard masters think. ******************** .good trade for both teams / bad for both teams/ good for one not the other again a writer that has a source with one of the two teams spoke on this doesn’t mean its going to happen but… Read more »
Murray starting in net against Montreal. Jarry in net against Florida. Once again Scum Sully gives Murray the super easy matchup.
ahahaha wtv you say Fatso
more like Scum Sully gave him a Weekend Vacation because he didnt know vs which team he can lose badly with him in net
I don’t know Sam Montreal is going to e fired up adding Scandella and now Kovalchuk this game will be tough.
And this on the road were we have won 8 games as opposed to 16 at home.
Big poppa pump
Your Buddy Npl Finally met him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7lVeoMRMfw&feature=emb_logo
“Hahaha what an amazing YouTube clip, Sam!” – no one ever
Trust me guys this bum better play it won’t take long fans to boo him
This ain’t Pittsburgh that players can take vacation and fans cheer them with open arms
Pittsburgh ain’t Montreal. Pittsburgh gives their fans something to cheer about. So much so that bandwagon fans like yourself start rooting for them because your team blows.
team last or not fans still show up
minute penguins are not playoff material will see where youll be hiding clown
you and that Fat NPL
What’s funny is I was literally seeing Habs fans complain the other day about the opposite lol.
What’s even more funny is that he talks about Pittsburgh fans not showing up, yet the little virginal bandwagon boy has never been to PPG Paints. Hahahaha
just because your mom takes you to a outing at the PPG doesnt mean you are a fan or understand the game you still have a long way to go to even get basic hockey vision
now go drool on Washed up players like you always did
P.S Saad a pittsburgh guy start Drooling
Remember when you wanted washed up Rick Nash at 7 million a season for 3 years?
“This aint Pittsburgh” – Sure aint, the entire city is still in love with Cup teams that most of them were not alive to see that won in a league with barely 10 teams. In Pittsburgh they win cups…. In Montreal they remember ancient history
What do they remember in Edmonton ?
Gretzky traded ?
OK… Oh no sam… not the Oilers… OMG what a deep cut… I am a Penguins fan you dumb fucken moron.
Beyond that I know the Oilers are a dumpster fire lol. You keep bragging about how mediocre the Habs are hahahahahaha
What does the alpha, alpha male Scott Steiner think?
You are correct Sam(e)… they take vacations and still managed to be the only team to win back to back cups during the salary cap era and were the only team to make the playoffs every year this past decade. Montreal takes lots of vacations too, they just always start in April.
ahaha you act like penguins been finals non stop
hey buddy before that 2 stanley cups in a row
penguins were often thrown out 1st round or so
so year penguins Vacation often started in April too
Yup, thanks to your buddy MAF but they still got further then Montreal.
And again you just keep proving how much of a Penguins fan you aren’t.
Have a nice day troll!
ahaha more like thanks to your Pee Wee hockey Coach
one trick pony
shut down crosby and malkin and series was over
teams wanted to play the penguins first round because it was like a Free pass to the second round
Go drool on your DB Clown
I am sure he is doing a Fantastic Job in Detroit
TBJ Trolling Bandwagon Jabroni
Since the 09 Cup Run .891% .899% .834% .883% .915% .927% .875% .924% Yup, all his head problems were DB’s fault. I never liked him as a coach and his stay was two seasons to long but at the end of the day man up Sam(e) and call a spade and spade.. Fleury choked! It was not DB’s job to stop the puck. This is why no one wants to deal with you. You make excuses for everyone who is French Canadian and blame all their short comings on someone else but if a non French Canadian player plays the… Read more »
2010 second round
2011 No Crosby or Malkin…
2012 MAF melted down big time
2013 Third Round despite MAF melting down big time… thank Vokoun
2014 Second round
From the 2009 cup to the B2B cups the Penguins were 2nd round or deeper in 50% of their series…. likely would have beat TB in 2011 had one of Sid or Geno played in spite of how bad MAF was…
how was the series vs the Rags they had sid and Geno was that MAF fault to ?
Malkin had 7 points in 7 games and was a plus 5… Sid had three… I see your point, MAF at .923 cannot be blamed, and I actually wasnt putting it on him. Oddly Bylsma was in charge and he had a .923… work through that one lol
Bad move by habs. Suprised julien wants a Russian in his team ever since he joined habs he got rid of them all
And havent made the post season since HAHAHAHAHAHA
Kovy to the habs. 1 year/700k. Would’ve liked to have taken a flyer on him. We need a right handed trigger man on the PP. At least he’s in Montreal though where Sam the french creepo can cry about him and talk up the fraud in net that makes twice as much as he’s worth.
someone’s been reading hockey buzz.com
HAHAHAHAHAHA Sams head to explode in 3… 2… 1….
“Scott Steiner would beat you on his worst day!”
This needs to keep being reposted.
Politics aside this one is pretty good too “when you look in the dictionary Alpha male you will see Donald Trump next to Scott Steiner”
“when you look in the dictionary Alpha male you will see Donald Trump next to Scott Steiner”
“Scott Steiner would beat you on his worst day!”
For the C&P
Hawks might trade SAAD start Drooling Fools
He is only 27 and not retired. He is not your type.
What does Scott Steiner think?
Did you guys see. Npl meeting Scott Steiner.
Hockey11 incase you were wondering who npl is it’s that scumbag Sam here He used to have multiple accounts Npl,npl10,npl1O. pure troll nothing more Then he had this obsession with me so he changed his name to Sam. Then finally he fell in love with Michael SAM. That gay black football player He brings nothing to this website what do you expect he is from shitholee Florida And the only entertainment he brings is to mentally challenged low IQ like zeroTool,tbj and carrmord/ stan Another moron that owned multiple accounts Those guys are also known as the Thumbs down crew… Read more »
Says the guy with a crush on a washed up juicer who was, by many accounts, a never will be lol. Alpha male superhero bahahahahahahaha what a loser
Says the guy with a crush on a a beta male Prime Minister
You love Scott Steiner so much BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA and now Kovalchuk is a Hab… HAHAHAHAHAH fuckk you sam
Thanks…….clear now…
No but we saw both Price and Letang cost their teams wins last night. Both of Sam(e)’s heroes hard at work sucking it up just like your grammar.
BTW… how come you don’t get massive amounts of thumbs up on your posts anymore? Which one of your multiple accounts did you close since I called you out on your bullshitt? You never seem to answer that question.
because you and NPL chased away the good posters from this site
and now are stuck with clowns like you 2 that Thumbs down people for living
imagine your Buddy NPL has no life that he spends his day on Netflix Thumbs downing every movie that he sees
Ok there Scott Steiner… whatever you say. You bring up the most irrelevant topics such as wrasslin’ and Canadian politics. You hate every player who is not french Canadian. When the Penguins lose you gloat and take pride in their loses. When they are losing a game you never shut up but when they mount a come back and win you are nowhere to be found. You cheer for Montreal and Vegas when they win but bad mouth the Penguins when they win. “They only won because… “ If Malkin makes a mistake he is a “your” lazy Russian… but… Read more »
get fuckked you piece of shitt
hasnt been 2 years and the minute stan disapeared you appeared 2 weeks later
and knowing stan he lived on this site just like you
knowing stan all he brought to this site was negative comments to other
knowing stan he was part of the same thumbs down crew
so go fool so dumb IQ people like ZeroTool
other then chubster go make some donuts
If yuo were half as attentive as you claim you would remember an overlap between Stanch and Ramrod you fucken dumbshit
Poor Sam(e), first it was the Scott Steiner comment, then Price makes a bone headed play leading to another Montreal loss, moments later Letang does the same and now Sam(e)’s favorite Russian has joined the Canadians. All of Sam(e)’s heroes keep coming up roses.
Letang bad tripping penalty in OT! We got a point so keep pilling up the points. (Anyway anyhow!!!)
Kreider Too expensive for a rental he will be asking a ton next year…
Trade Letang for Kreider. Pens get Guentzel’s replacement AND a huge benefit keeping Letang in the division and playing against him often
I can’t wait to see what Hockeybuzz has for trade rumor so Hockey11 can tell us all.
what do you got fuck face….nothing as usual….
I’ll leave the copy and pasting to you. I don’t make up trades like you and your boy Sam like to do. You are some kind of special!
so msfartan!..What’s your suggestion/opinion who would you add Mr. know it all? Do you actually have an opinion or do you have to ask your boy toy FRIEND TBJ233?
Say something meaningful what would you do as pen GM?
msfartan….great job. Did Sam help you with that?
Imagine if Malkin took that penalty… what a fucken joke, battle all the way back only to have Letang hand the game over…
That’s how we do yeah sammich? Scott Steiner concurs
Did you see Price’s amazing stick work tonight? Scott Steiner would have been embarrassed.
True…..
Thanks Letang!!!
And Letang strikes again.
Trade Letang
Like Sam always says at a Scott Steiner sleepover, very nice PP.
and for the love of god I’m just asking…new on here…
what is a npl?????
Smartest poster on the board. Habitually owns French Weirdo Sam and makes him cry.
I hear he is 30 feet tall.
Ur Russian and JJ 4 oVy nd. Wilson. Get biggr and tuffer. I tough that make cents for both teems.
– samtheman/hockey11
“Scott Steiner would beat you on his worst day!”
Hahaha what a loser
Sam(e) thinks wrasslin’ is real.
Holy fuck is that gold hahahahaha
Scandella to Montreal
Scandella ends up with the Flames lol
Npl must be sad
Pretty sure that was your fukb0y hockey11. That’s at least 62826 straight idiotic posts by the virginal bandwagon boy.
your an idiot jus threw it out there why you such a dick bro what are you offering except criticism
you and your boy toy msfartan
Tbj233 rules!
Look Sam’s retarted friend made a joke.
what have you posted of any significance or even offered up and idea you consumed with Sam or Sam the man or you just criticizing anyone who doesn’t agree with you..
im new on here don’t get all the hostility some of you guys have towards each other you are exceptionally rude virgin this fuck boy that your so unintelligent its scary…
Getting called unintelligent from a guy who can’t correctly put together a sentence is pretty funny.
Montreal?
For a fucken 4th and we wanted to move a roster player?
Basically for Frolik.
Some hockey insiders say Islanders and Canadiens are after Pageau and Duclair…???
islanders Pageau an Canadians Duclair….interesting….
someone was saying Rutherford like Pageau too…not after he roughed up Malkin last game….lol got fined $2,500 malkin $5,000
Somebody has been reading Hockeybuzz.
That site is absurd. They constantly post ridiculous trades with no inside information as click bait. I liked the Doughty for Toews rumor lol. Ek might be the longest running joke in hockey media.
Totally agree. He’s about as plugged in as Sam is. Every player who’s available is linked to the Flyers.
And what have you spit out that’s any relevance??? that’s right nothing…LOL
they weren’t the only site the posted this islanders are looking big time for scoring…
why don’t you throw anything out there..because you can’t or wont big chicken…
Lol you’re a moron. Only in your world does it take balls to throw out dumb trades on an obscure message board. Sounds like you got picked on a bit growing up and decided to join the ranks of the keyboard warriors.
Funny thing is that I didn’t even say anything about you lol
ok….thanks genius
picked on not a chance..
Unintelligent people who think they know stuff, have never probably been an athlete, are only an athletic supporter, and don’t well??? yeah that’s a problem.
oh so now your a keyboard warrior…ok that explains a lot…
Yes that’s true HOCKEYBUZZ they have more sources than you do!!!
I’m pretty sure they are a bit more reliable than you…:) ..….. These are exciting times interested to see what the Penguins will do
Why are you so sensitive? I wasn’t ripping on you. Jesus buddy, lighten up.
I agree with you on kahun…and most things..i don’t know all you posts just seem condescending toward me that’s all like your this genius and the rest of us don’t know shit,,,
just a feeling you never post anything but responses to people except the Kahun thing which I agree with you 100%
other people its just ripping I het that you got a bad feeling about…I don’t know sorry you never post anything positive toward me so maybe that’s it..LOL
I made a joke about Scadella and you but that was it. I only rip on Sam and Simply Dusty.
your jokes old as im sure you are move on to something new… please
Move on? I rarely start a conversation with you bro. Such a loser.
Elliot friedman also posted that the islanders were heavy on pageau. I’m sure he’s a fake too!. He does it for a living bro…so cortical
Got it. Thanks for all of your posts. Weird.
Montreal called up Scott Steiner to replace Gallagher.
Get fuckeddd you piece of shittt
Scott Steiner would beat you on his worst day while you are on your best day
Sam(e) is having roid rage. Lol!!!
Bahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha…. what a fucken loser hahahahahahahahaha
Not sure why Kahun is on the fourth line. The Pens are down their top winger and he’s proven he can score at at least a middle six clip, along with top 6 offensive ability.
Agreed Kahun should be higher second line…
Trade Murray for E Kane
He is a cancer and has a horrible contract. 7 million a yr for the next 5 yrs.
Agreed, the production for that money along with that career -58 seems like a huge risk with the attitude that comes with it. We would be fully reliant on the idea Sullivan can reach the guy, for 20 goals and 50-55 points annually. He would add some toughness but he takes a ton of selfish calls to the point that Letang or Malkin wouldnt even be worth mentioning.
-58 geez….that’s bad you almost have to be an orange traffic pylon…LOL
Kane is an expensive Kovalchuk..talented not worth the $7 million for 4 or 5 more years….
Npl couldnt help it with his obsession and went to meet Scott Steiner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7lVeoMRMfw
You’re obsessed
Wonder what Grabner would cost
Werent the penguins after him a couple years ago? Do you know his cap hit?
Dude hasn’t been too good as a Coyote so maybe he comes relatively cheap. Maybe he gets back to what he did a couple years ago but at 32?
I would have loved to have added him a couple years ago, I hope they wouldn’t have to give much to get a player like this at this point. 3.35 or something like that too
I agree with you Zero a couple years ago yes…but not sure what he has left, or his cap hit, what is that you know?
I would like to see them go after Anthansiou center,25, or Kevin Fiala LW 23 Minnesota…either one of these guys just ads more speed to a already fast line-up… both a $3million Anthansiou UFA at years end Fiala RFA 2021-2022..
Move speedy McCann to wing where he is better.
we are going to lose Schultz, Galchenyuk Bjugstad at some. point this year or free agency Fiala or Anthansiou would be easy to resign..
I think McCann plays a stronger game up the middle as long as it’s in a depth roll. If he’s going to be utilized as a top 6 then obviously they need to fill that 3C void but when Sid is back I’d like to see him play the 3C role again, he was looking terrific in it for a short moment
As I see it our trade chips are
Yes Galchenyuk (despite his recent up swing)
Our number one pick (if it lands us what we really need) for a dep cup run
Nick Bjugstad (who is skating again)
Justin Schultz (if we aren’t going to resign him, the defense is playing structured and it gets us want we want yes)
Matt Murray…do they entertain this has Jarry done enough Minnesota is in desperate need of a young goalie. Maybe Murray nets us (no pun intended) the young winger Fiala $3.o million signed through 2012-2022 then a RFA
Get Eric staal. Play him on sids wing. Once everyone healthy use him on 3rd line
Stahl is a possibility he is having a good year..15 goals 17 assists but goes against Pittsburghs speed system.. i think kovalchuk toffoli stahl to slow…just my opinion he is the best of he rentals…maybe
It will be interesting to see which way Rutherford turns…young skilled forward or a rental like a Stahl… PENS realy goODn the sweep of Nashville and gritty effort against a pesky Ottawa team…who have a couple players of interest…namestakov Pageau, Ennis.,. Minnesota Fiala or a Stahl, do we turn to Athanasios 25 and up the stakes for a young skilled center. not proposing any moves it will be interesting to see which way he goes.. I have said all along we need one more defenseman and one more forward regardless of Crosby’s return lets see who that will be…if we… Read more »
Im still all in for Kreider
Seems like Boston is making a big push for him….Kreider
Jake’s injury probably really hurts the Pens chances of getting Scandella.
The Kessel comment in this article may be the best ever written by D. All of you that hated Kessel please tell me your plan to replace his scoring?
Who hated him? I think the trade was made because the coach didn’t like that Kessel seemed to do what he wanted. It’s a team game. I loved the guy. Big reason we won back to back cups. Sam is the only one that hated him. He hates all the Pens, not sure why he is on this site.
Sam hated him, he wouldn’t shut up about it lol
Or Orpig, Bylsma, Kennedy, Sheary etc.
Hey asssholessss I hated kessel but what did I say when it happend
They replaced one locker room cancer to another. Plus galchenyuk disappear more since I’ve watch him with habs
Obviously you dumb liberals just like the media you cut my words and chose what to expose Sam hates kessel and thats where it stops. Eat shitttt and choke on it you dumb wagons
You cried about him for four fucken years from the moment he was picked up, right through 2 cups. You bitchedd and bitchedd…. and bitchedd non-stop about him playing on the third line, gathering points on the power play and loads of other shit.
Who gives a fuckk that you also cried about Galchenyuk when he was the guy they traded for as you were fucken incessant about Kessels contributions the whole time… fuckk you
Yes I wanted kessel gone but for this kind of Garbage trade.
This must be one of the worst trades ever .
It’s like Npl trading his KFC bucket for 1 hot dog
2020, Sam’s still a virgin and angry. Sad. Loser.
Happy New Year….Ok no Canadian politics this year ok leafers?