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The Pittsburgh and Justin Schultz agreeing to a three year, $16.5 million contract took care of some important business for the Penguins as they needed clarity on Schultz in regards to where this number was going to fall.
The Penguins are now committed to 11 forwards, 6 defensemen and 2 goaltenders on one-way contracts with $11 million in cap space.
The Schultz deal is a higher AAV than the Penguins surely wanted to go when negotiations started but it was either do this deal at three years or a one year deal, which could have been risky for both sides.
What became clear early in the process I’m told is that a long-term deal of 5+ years wasn’t going to be possible. Pittsburgh would have wanted the AAV in the 4’s, a deal the Schultz camp wasn’t interested in.
Schultz reps at Newport Sports planned to ask for $6.5 million in arbitration, sources tell Inside Pittsburgh Sports. The Penguins would have likely come in around $4.5 million and the arbitrator would have met in the middle.
Schultz had a great arbitration case because of his numbers and a lot of leverage. It also pays to have great agents like Schultz does in being repped by hockey’s most powerful agency.
For Schultz, he’ll still be just 29 years old when his new deal ends, another win for him if he stays on this level.
It’s a deal the Penguins are comfortable with because it’s only three years but I don’t believe Penguin officials are jumping up for joy.
Schultz is a defenseman coaches still have to shelter a bit defensively and at times during the playoffs Schultz was getting third pairing minutes at even strength and that’s without Kris Letang in the lineup.
But, puck moving defensemen who can give you a 50 point season don’t grow on trees and Kris Letang isn’t just coming back from a broken foot.
It’s a higher AAV than you’d like but it’s important the Penguins are only locked into the deal for 3 years. Too many General Managers make mistakes of giving too much term.
With the inability to do cheat deals anymore, it’s bad value giving non-core guys more than three years for a club like the Penguins. You don’t need to always pay for projected future performance.
Pittsburgh jumped the gun on going six years to Olli Maatta in 2016. It was unnecessary. That should have been a three year bridge contract in the $2 million range. In three years when a hypothetical bridge deal would have been up, would Olli Maatta really had been a $5-$5.5 million a year defenseman?
No.
Now I think we’re starting to see the Penguins get it with the non-core players.
They wouldn’t go more than three years for Bonino which is smart business, now they get Schultz for three years.
Schultz takes a step or two back, he’s put enough on tape where the Penguins could get out of the contract via trade easily. New Jersey and Buffalo would be first in line.
More RFA Talk
— Two years away from free agency, Brian Dumoulin’s camp looks at the Penguins paying Olli Maatta $4 million per season and view their client as the better defenseman who is used in tougher situations. So it’s not a surprise they’re playing hard ball in eyeing a deal north of $4 million.
But, with arbitration cases so biased towards numbers you put up, the Penguins have leverage here if the two sides went to arbitration. I think that number would be around $3 million.
Bet on them settling before but Dumoulin’s agent Lewis Gross is a very tough negotiator and gets his clients big deals.
Conor Sheary is the more intriguing negotiation/trade chip.
One individual with knowledge of the situation says [hide] Sheary has the numbers to try to build a case for $3.75-$4.25 million in arbitration.
Therefore, we’ve seen no movement towards a deal yet.
But, deadlines often make a side move so we’ll see if something transpires before July 5.
Sheary, though, is playing with a fire a bit from the standpoint that the Penguins are very open to moving him to address a need.
Sources say they’ve been willing to build trade packages around him for a young center and have talked with multiple teams. I think he stays put on a short-term deal eventually but his name is certainly out there since the draft. [/hide]
Got breakfast half off today at my hotel. Got to know the worth you money.
Npl any updates about your idol did he win the hot dog event again ?
Shut the fuckk up you idiot lol
Is this hockey related you fucken hypocrite?
I thought sam only posted hockey related content – what happened?
It’s all Parise, DiPietro and DB with the virginal bandwagon man! Number of board member that give a flying shitt about any of these people? A big ole goose egg
Ricky earned his money when he fought Johnson as far as I’m concerned.
Bennett injured yet?
I told you clowns TK is not a top line winger.
Wonder how he felt about Michel Ouellet…
Good news for the NHL and to real hockey fans. Kovalchuk decided to stay in the khl this means a team in NHL won’t get conned and fans won’t be ripped watching that fraud still paychecks .as for Dallas a shitholee of a team enjoy radulov and his stealing paychecks. Fans will suffer more while organization lose more money. Oh wait there is always a Canadian team to bail those shitholee teams anyways just thank jew bettman for creating this system
You really don’t understand much of anything do you?
You can tell by his angst that the team he roots for hasn’t won in a while.
You can almost tell that it’s been about 24ish years
At most, he’d have been 30% of the fraud and paycheck thief Toews has been for years #Canada
Yeah at least he won Stanley cups while Parise and dipietro are the true frauds
Which would be relevant if anyone here ever pretended they gave a shit about DiPietro or Parise.
But they will give a shitt about Toews right. Typical liberal. Only wtv they say it matters yet others it’s become trash. Get fuckedd you queerr
everyone that disagrees with Sam is a “Liberal” or are sharing “Fakenews”. He claims to hate the US but basically lives life via the Trump handbook. There are frauds here junior… you’re it! Like the Donald himself and you don’t even know it haha
Hope everyone is thanking their lucky stars and stripes they dont live in Montreal. Happy 4th.
For sure. And props to everyone here that aren’t virginal bandwagon men.
Happy 4th to the neighbours to the south… have a safe, booze filled celebration! Cheers
Go there you wannabe American
awe sammich, eat a snickers… you’re a fucken complete twaat when you’re hungry.
Yeah and living in fat slobs of America instead. BTW how did your hot dog event go today did your idol win again?
Talks broke off between Markov and Philly… Not that I would be in a rush but he seems to have some gas left. On a 1 year for abou 3 I would be interested, although I do think he wants more money and term
Yeah he was getting 5.75 as he if older he wants more money. Plus his often injured
Habs have to know the value of you money
Because pens knew by giving contract extension with a raise to shero DB and Orpig
I have no idea what this relates to. But I think it’s funny that there’s one person here still talking about DB. If you weren’t a virgin, I’d assume he was your first.
Get off from the donut counter and get a real job fatso.
Don’t want worry sam. You’ll get laid someday. Ask your mom for some
Money and go pay for it. Less embarrassing than being the virginal bandwagon man.
One of these two teams has seen the Stanley Cup more than once since the 05 lockout… The other rode a hot goalie for 2 since all the rules changed before fucken said goalie over and making him leave town
He played nearly every game you could from 2012-13 until missing time last year…
2 years; 6 per is his ask? Fuckk him
Colorado signed Nail Yakupov.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA… Sakic literally has no clue what he is doing.
And that’s why Roy left that circus
Yes, it had nothing to do with Roy being garbage as well.
Luca Caputi
That Russian is a bust. Hope his lover galchenyuk joins him there
Like Griffin Reinhart. Ryan Murphy. Derrick Pouliot. Louie LeBlanc. Canadian busts.
… Stefan Legein
Npl what time will your idol compete today
Look forward to watching Kunitz play in Tampa. Last i checked hes the rare Canadian who can turn it up in the playoffs.
Hey zeroTOOL how good did you prime minister do when he forgot to mention about Alberta
Unlike most people, who would forget all of canada? Last I checked?
Must use the same guy for your posts as Trudeau did for his speech writer. It was an egregious error if only for the fact that it has set the idiots off here. That said you should be the last person complaining about the speech errors of one while you fight your personal war on English.
Kruger to Carolina for a 2018 5th round pick.
Sam don’t forget to watch the hot dog eating contest. You and Dusty post so much about hot dogs. #specialidiots
I think Npl is over there already. Just like Christmas has been replaced with Santa. Soon Americans birthday will be replaced with some fat slob contest
Hey Sammich, so is it that damn jee Bettmans fault… or…
http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/what-the-puck-with-failing-hands-habs-pass-the-torch-of-mediocrity
A player that I have hard time to accept that left Pittsburgh is Kunitz. I tough he would sign one more season with pens or retire. Now after winning a cup he is gone to a meaningless hockey team and will retire in a meaningless way
He still feels he has hockey left in him and the Pens decided they didn’t have room for him…. thats business, I aint mad at him for trying to bank more paper. People have to realize pro-sports in a business, a job, why retire if you aint ready too?
Kunitz + keep assets we traded away or Reaves. Not a tough choice to me.
Would’ve put kunitz 4th. Line and on some occasions with sid with Reaves let’s see what will happen
Well, we’ll see what happens here – you worry about what’s going on with David Schlemko and Ales Hemsky, and whether or not the Habs can sneak into the playoffs next year, bub.
Bergevin will probably trade Galchenyk to get Emelin back here too lol
He didn’t sign in Montreal, did he? I tough someone said Tampa…???
Dude get a job it’s not healthy to be here 24/7
I have a job. I’m at work. Why the F do you think I”m posting, chubby?
A real job.
Sam – you leech off of your mother. I don’t think you’re in any position to call me out – especially when I could give you a raise by letting manage my lawn up-keep.
Gotta love that eric showed back up just as the little green dumby departed. So much nicer reading his special brand of absurdity.
its not absurdity its facts. look it up. nobody said we had to agree to come on this board but there is a few of you village idiots on here that think your know it all’s. and if you don’t like facts then hit the red button and the problems solved.
Both his underlying numbers and point total speak to it being a good signing. Plus, he’s 26 and it’s only a 3 year deal. Not locked in long term. Who would you have rather signed at that price?
Went to a bar that had buy one get one Yuengling drafts. Got to know the worth you money.
No fatso they know clowns like you will over drink and get drunk so they hope you and your kind gets into an accident and die like that your country will have one less fatso to take care of with others tax money
In Florida? I’m in Arizona and Yuengling is nowhere to be found.
Yuengling is throughout the East I believe. Hardly anywhere on the other side of the Mississippi.
Hemsky to Habs
Radulov to stars
Looks like Sam is lurking – here come the thumbs downs.
As I said earlier in previous posts Schultz was gonna get paid and he sure did. I am not a fan of the deal. He was defensively shielded in the playoffs at times. Yes I understand he scored a lot of points and assisted in many goals but 5.5 mill is a ton for him. dumo is gonna want in the 4’s and sheary just about the same. How can we go and try to get anyone with decent value now? unless they make a trade. hagelin and his 4 million is huge along with maatta 4 mill. I guess… Read more »
What part of that patchwork D were they “shielding him” with, exactly? Did they skate him next to Doughty or Karlsson, and I missed it?
you act like he didn’t have issues the entire playoffs and he is a superstar. its not a good contract for the pens. the reason he got this type of deal is because of other GM’s handing out larger deals to worse players. I don’t knock the guy at all, im glad he is here but I hate the fact that we had to overspend for him.
He’s really really good. Is he a #1? Most likely not. But you don’t trip and fall into 12 goals and 51 points. He also played half of the playoffs injured. The contract is about what he’s due. It’s certainly not a “bad” contract. The reason he got this type of deal was because he fuckingg put up 51 points, and was one of the best defensemen they had on a team that won the fuckingg stanley cup. They didn’t overspend – especially considering the term.
certainly these are your fuckinnng opinions about whether or not its a good contract. and certainly fuckinnng not everybody will agree with you. it is an overrated deal for a guy who played major minutes on an offensive minded team. they were without there number 1 guy for most of the year. and you say best defenseman? id argue that point and say nope. it was dumo. and as for playing hurt in the playoffs… every fuckiinnnggg body does.
I haven’t many that disagree with me – aside from you, who somehow thinks he was “shielded” but can’t really tell anyone how that happened, or who they used to help “shield” him. So you’re in the vast minority. And no, every fuckiiinnggg body does not. But we know he was a shell of himself in the latter part of the ECF and Finals – unable to get anything on his shot. Still scored several huge goals. The guy is a solid #2/#3 d-man, and that’s what they fuckingg cost. You’re going to have to come to terms with that.
you delusional if you think people don’t play thru injuries during the playoffs. dumo ate up huge minutes during the playoffs. along with cole. look, im happy the guy got paid but I for one hate the contract. far too much for me to stomach. like the article said if he regresses it should be an easy deal to move.
We had to up the AAV because we couldn’t get more term from him. I’m fine with this deal. The main thing to remember here is he’s improved each season so far. He also stepped up when Letang got hurt. Letang getting hurt is an annual event, so glad we have Schultz to fall back on. I’d rather give Schultz his money than what Alzner got.
I agree with what you said about him not getting Alzner type of deal.
So we don’t sign him and then what? It was a solid and necessary signing. You’re getting his prime and when Letang inevitably goes down, you have a guy who had shown he can work the power play and eat up top 4 minutes. He’s more valuable than Dumoulin and the contract was for less than he would’ve got on the open market. You and Sam are the only two people who don’t like the contact. What does that tell you?
I didn’t say people don’t play through injuries in the playoffs. You said everyone was injured Everyone was not injured. What I do know is the SCHULTZ was injured, pretty severely, and still performed like a #2/#3, and that’s why he got paid. Also – if it’s such a cumbersome contract, why the fuckk would it be so easy to move if her “regresses?”
you either cannot read what you type or you are just to stubborn. I never said everyone was injured. I said everyone plays thru the playoffs with injuries. if you don’t like what my opinion is then delete me. I could give 2 fuckkks what you think .
and as far as the pens over paying for him. take a look around the league and salarys for players who had big years only to follow it up with shit. they got paid then became a bum. ryan clowe? Clarkson?
A) answer me how he was “shielded B) compare his contract to other defensemen that put up his type of production. But you won’t, because C) you can’t and D) you’ll look retarded.
dumo ate up the majority of minutes in the playoffs. esp vs the oppositions better lines. heck ian cole was playing more so then Schultz at different points. hence he wasn’t matched up against top players. when he got hurt and came back he was playing mostly on the pp and yes he did have huge goals but his shot and the guys in front were cleaning up . your missing the point asshat, either you have a mancrush on the guy or think your the worlds best internet shit talker. I don’t care which it is, but imo its… Read more »
That’s fine – you can think whatever you want. But you’re wrong. His minutes were down because he was playing at 70% of what he was. Which I already pointed out. Your counter to that was “everybody was playing through injury.” Very compelling.
um bullshit look it up pal. 4th on the damn team and even behind ron hainsey. he was key on the power play no doubt. my counter was to your comment. everybody does play injured dipshit. I backed up my numbers and you don’t like it. trevor daley almost played as much as him 19:07 to 19:44 per game. and I think daley is just as offensive as Schultz. then you spew at the mouth with shattenkirk isn’t as good as Schultz??? did you really say that? he was the number on defenseman in free agency for a reason. he… Read more »
Let’s first start with the fact that they all played roughly 20 minutes a night. There was no great discrepancy. They ran a brigade as a brigade in every sense of the word. And yes, Daley would have played largely what he played…because they were mostly paired together on the second pairing. So..shocker. They played about the same. Daley is almost as offensive as Schultz? Oh boy. Here we go. Daley, over his career, has averaged about 25 points a season, topping out with 38 points in 14-15, a clear outlier if you look at his stat lines. Schultz as… Read more »
while your trashing shattenkirk perhaps you should do some research on Schultz who for his career is a -44. with a high of 33 points prior to coming to the pens. it wasn’t until this year he was a positive player but then again what do I know.
shattenkirk has played 9 years in the nhl. and has averaged 44 plus per year.and is a plus 17 overall. until Schultz can do what shattenkirk has over 9 years he isn’t what you say he is. and that’s the better player.
I believe this was addressed up above. You want to put a guy on the worst team in the league for his first four years and tell me he’s a minus player, and “only” put up 33 points, I will agree with those facts. I also do love how you gloss right over your little boy toy getting 4TH OVERALL minutes (oh the horror!) in the playoffs in his own right, ten minutes after telling everyone he’s the next coming of Bobby Orr. Yeah – he puts up points. He’s a power play specialist – who said otherwise? He’s also… Read more »
seems like this is a total dead horse, so why keep typing about it. time will tell on Schultz. I don’t feel good about the deal which is my opinion and you do. I like the guy, I hope he blows past last years numbers so I can say im wrong. do I see it happening….no but I do hope im wrong.
Schultz was 4th on the team in terms of ice time per playoff game. hell Hainsey was ahead of him. he avg 19:44 min per game ( Schultz) dumo was clearly the heavy lifter @SID4800 21:59 per maata was higher then Schultz.
point is hes a good player. I agree with that yes, im glad he is here but I don’t like the deal. it feels like we got backed into a corner somewhat because of arbitration and his reps could have used it against us.
If he was a UFA he would have commanded over 6. Orlovs deal set the market, he was a must keep and his agents knew that. End of the day he was the guy that filled in for Letang and did an admirable job considering his ribs were a mess. I would have loved to get him for a half million less but you’re nuts if you think it’s any kind of an overpayment. Dumo has also earned about 4, that said had the Pens not jumped the gun on Maattas deal (thanks Edmonton) Dumo might be cheaper but at… Read more »
He would have been closer to Shattenkirk money if he was a UFA – and he’s a better defenseman than Shattenkirk.
you must still be partying from the holiday weekend. shattenkirk here would put up larger numbers than Schultz. if given the same amount of time to learn the offense. in Washington everything was under a microscope. here we just win.
You can argue what your well skilled eye should tell you a player is worth but in the NHL production equals value and Shultz produces hence he got paid. 5.5M is fair value if not slightly below market value for the production. I obviously wouldn’t want to ever have to choose between the 2 but if it came down to keeping Shultz or keeping Dumoulin you keep Shultz every day. There are only a handful of defenseman that can bring what Shultz brings to the team while there are a plethora of defenseman that can bring what Dumoulin brings, we… Read more »
wrong there pal. we tried that idea dumo is a better than avg defenseman. hal gill was a better than avg defenseman. rmb him in the playoffs? not very offensive minded. scuderi? orpik? all the same.
they were really good at controlling the other teams top lines. I think dumo is of the same mold maybe slightly faster than orpik but with less umph.
Mike Colligan, in his brief return to twitter, floated Radek Faksa’s name out there as a 3rd line C that might be squeezed out thanks to the Hanzal signing, and a potential target of the Pens. I like the idea.
You mean Rico Fata right?
Rico Fata wasn’t a center, noob.
I’ll believe it when Sam posts it next week.
I would be down as well. He’s got similar FO numbers to Bonino. Has good size as well. Better than what is left on the market.
Oh… my… the Crosby & Malkin deals look SO GOOD right now and I luv it…..
It would be cool if crosbys lucky number was 21.
Yoda, is that you!
I think you completely called this one.
Rangers gm shatinkirk didn’t do anything today
Npl marleau to leafs
Sam youre late
Hanzal to Stars guys. 3 year deal. (Who am I)
Caps are in Cap hell right now.
Kuznetzov 8 years
Maple Leafs sign Patrick Marleau to three-year deal, $6.25 million AAV
Leafs are now OVER the cap and will need to dump salary. Tyler Bozak for 3C anyone?
No he sucks. Can’t win a faceoff either.
I’d take him if he was made available and he was 56.7% on the draw last year… a full 10% better than Bones! Guy had some decent production overall and was technically their No 3.
Bozak would be a terrific addition
I wouldn’t mind bozak. In his prime and coming off a nice season. He didn’t have a ton to work with in Toronto for much of hours career.
56.7% not good enough for ya? 7th best in the NHL. Cullen 51.2, Crosby 48.2, Bonino 48.0, Malkin 43.1.
55 points last year with a $4.2 hit to the cap.
I stand corrected on the faceoffs. I must have confused him with someone else. Phil would be happy to get him.
They’re not over the cap. They have Lupul and Horton waiting to go on LTIR
Oh ya 🙁
Terrible signing.
The Canadians are going to be bad for a long time. If Radulov and Markov move on, that team took a big step back and wasn’t anything special to begin with. Oh well.
Habs been bad for a while since they build their team around Russians and Americans. Habs this year first round pick another American
Yes, they just gave a Canadian 84 millions dollars, but they are building their team around Americans and Russians. Nice. Idiot. They are a dreadful franchise in a 3rd world part of the planet. That’s where it starts.
Bad since about 1993, if im not mistaken
Yup since jew bettman took over kinda coincidence Habs draft always American offense on their first rounds
Jee* Bettman
We’re Fischer, Tinordi and Beaulieu “American offense?” What was Louie LeBlanc?
Bettmans fault Montreal management has been fuckawful lol
Since 94… names like Recchi, Turgeon, Damphousse, Ryder, Perreault, Subban, Savage, Ribiero, and Desharnais… all players that have been among the team leaders in goals, assists and or points. Players that have been built around… add Souray to that list actually. No success since 93 despite all these Canadian names. They tried Latendresse too but were such shitty fans he collapsed under the pressure
Of the $84M, $70M is in the form of buyouts, making the contract completely buyout proof. Sam, wtf is in the water up there in Montreal? Is the whole city retarded?
Carey Price recent injury history: 2011 (concussion), 2013 playoffs (groin), 2014 playoffs (knee–Kreider), 2015-16 (two knee injuries)
And how many cups? Imagine what Murray will want.
Wow. Montreal is out of their minds.
No goalie is worth that. No wonder the Mausolee is empty come February
Basically could have two fleurys for that. Arizona has two goalies for a combined $2 mil
I would have rather signed Franson for the 5/6 pairing than Hunwick.
Well. He’s still out there. Cause, you know, nobody wants him
Sheary traded yet?
Your Mom bang anybody today?
Why ask such an obvious question? You’re an intelligent person, you should be able to figure out the answer without asking.
Ha! I know. After I typed it I wanted to give myself a thumbs down!
Yeah. For Marty St. Louis. Who then promptly retired.