DAILY FIVE (Penguins Edition)
*Rumblings, Musings, Opinions*
1. The NBA and NHL are on different planets. The NBA has evolved into a global, star driven sport, while hockey will always be a regional niche sport. The NBA has a great TV contract and despite no parity with only two or three teams having a realistic shot at winning the NBA title, the league has never been more popular and players have never made more money.
What the NBA off-season, though, continues to prove is how underpaid NHL players are, especially the star players. How much is Sidney Crosby worth to the Penguins? $20-$25 million per season?
Connor McDavid just signed an 8 year – $100 million contract, while Tim Hardway Jr who’s probably not even one of the best 75 players in the NBA, just signed a 4 year, $71 million contract with the New York Knicks. Like Crosby, McDavid’s worth to the Oilers is over $20 million per season.
The logistics of a hard cap system will always keep star players from being paid what they should and not to mention, clubs have to fill 21-23 spots against the cap, unlike the NBA where you can pay 3-4 players max contracts, have 3-4 average reserves making $8-$15 million per and fill out the rest of the roster with non-guaranteed contracts and you’ll be a great team.
The fascinating aspect between star NHL players and star NBA players is loyalty. NHL star players rarely jump ship and often sell themselves short in the long-term by taking the max term in return for a lower AAV or in the past before the new CBA (2013) — cheat deals –.
Connor McDavid took less percentage against the cap than Sidney Crosby did coming out of his entry level deal and he took the full eight year max term contract.
Crosby’s third contract doesn’t get talked enough of how team-friendly the deal is and how much he sold himself short in the long-term.
The loyalty of Sidney Crosby, his cheat deal in 2012 (12 years – $104.4 million) cost him millions in the long-run. Prior to Crosby signing his 12 year deal in June 2012, the Penguins and Crosby’s camp had two different scenarios, a 12-13 year deal or a five year deal with an AAV of $11.56 million that would be structured the same way the first five years of his current 12 year deal are.
Crosby took the team friendly deal that will have him majorly under paid during the last seven years of the deal.
Crosby’s contract pays him $57.8 million in the first five seasons (2013-2014/2017-2018) and only $46.6 million over the last seven seasons of the deal, including just $9 million in the last three years of his contract.
The contract doesn’t end until he’s 37 years old, where he’ll make $3 million per season at age 35, 36, and 37.
If Crosby had taken the five year deal that many in his inner circle were pushing for him to take, Crosby would have been eligible to sign a new extension on July 1, 2017. Crosby would be getting an 8 year extension this summer with a blank check to name his price. Taking the cheat deal in 2012 cost him at least $30-$40 million.
NHL owners plan to lock out the players in a couple years again but they should be thankful at how they never have to stress about their stars leaving.
2. Rick Tocchet has been the key cog in handling Phil Kessel and the worst news for anyone on the Penguins roster in Tocchet being the front-runner for the Arizona job is Kessel.
Mike Sullivan’s patience for Kessel had become razor thin this past season and the relationship between the two is not good.
As Kessel enters his 30’s, anyone believe he’s going to suddenly start blocking shots, caring about playing his own end?
Nothing’s official until it’s official but the Penguins have been drumming up a preliminary list of assistant coach candidates with expectations that Rick Tocchet is going to Arizona. Mike Sullivan will have significant authority on the hire, in what will be his first assistant coach hire among the main staff.
What the Penguins will give zero credence on is hiring someone they feel can handle Phil Kessel. It won’t sway things in one direction.
“He’s not that important, “ [hide] a source close to the situation said of Kessel.
Some are jumping ahead, though, in believing this might be Kessel’s last season in Pittsburgh.
It’s a very tough contract to move and Kessel can only waive to eight teams and his camp on July 1 always makes the eight teams he’d waive to Stanley Cup contenders who are right against the cap, to diminish any chance of a trade.
Still, that Kessel/Sullivan relationship is going to be fun to watch.
3. The Penguins have spoken to the Leafs about Tyler Bozak who did interest the team back at the 2015 deadline. Pittsburgh does not believe there’s a trade match at this point and if the Leafs moved Bozak this summer, it would be out West.
One source says with the Leafs believing they are very close to competing for a Stanley Cup, they’re not going to be in the mood to help out the Penguins here, a team they’re gunning for.
The Leafs may still take a stab at keeping Bozak on a short-term deal and with being in win-now mode, it would have to be a deal with NHL players coming back in return.
“They need Bozak more than they need JVR,” an Eastern Conference scout said of the Leafs pending UFA’s in 2018.
4. Dallas Stars center Radek Faksa is another third line center out there getting thrown around as a Penguin target but he’s another player who’s not truly available I’m told.
The Stars have re-signed center Radek Faksa to a three-year, $6.6-million contract. https://t.co/hHmuXi9yJ0
— Dallas Stars (@DallasStars) July 10, 2017
Just signed today to a three year contract, the Stars love Faksa who is an excellent 200-ft player and he’s just 23 years old.
The 2012 first round pick is now on a very good contract and Faksa’s a player scouts feel will flourish under Ken Hitchcock and it would take a boat load to get out of Dallas, a league source says.
5. One of the NHL’s greatest myths is that trade offers for players available at the trade deadline improve in the summer.
That’s often not the case.
A couple prime examples this summer.
Matt Duchene in Colorado. Joe Sakic has had an outrageous asking price since January and he backed himself into a corner believing the type of offer he wants would eventually come in the summer. In fact, offers for Duchene have been much worse.
The longer a player is on the trade block especially the type of situation in Colorado with Duchene, the more likely scouts, executives from other clubs drag down the players value. Everyone talks and once word spreads of some red flags, a players value can take a big hit and Duchene’s has for various reasons.
A totally different type of situation happened in Vegas. NHL GM’s believe George McPhee overplayed his hand in taking so many NHL defenseman and believing he could flip a number of them for high picks in the summer.
General Manager’s are more desperate to overpay at the trade deadline than in the summer. If Marc Methot is made available by Ottawa last February, he’s going to for a first round pick.
Alexei Emelin would have went for at least a second round pick and some change at the deadline.
Vegas has played the acquire veterans/draft pick game, instead of taking young NHL talent, and it could backfire. [/hide]
It’s so nice to see that Depaoli’s math skills are almost as sharp as his English/writing skills. Sid’s 1st contract after his ELC was a 5y-43.5M deal with an 8.7M AAV that started in 2008-2009 which means his cap hit was 15.3% of the cap that year. With McDavid signing a 8y-100M deal that has a 12.5M AAV starting next year even if the cap went up to 81M which is highly unlikely he would account for 15.4% of Edmonton’s cap. Way to just completely destroy the semi-annual daily 5 in the very 1st paragraph.
“…would have GONE” not “went.”
“San Jose is the 13th most valuable team worth 470MM and net earnings of 7.1MM – Forbes
Dallas is the 12th most valuable team worth 500M and net earnings of 20.9MM – Forbes
NYI is down at 18th worth 385M buuut net earnings of 2.7MM
Tampa is not a valuable franchise per-say but did have net earnings of 3MM” -Zero
SAM – please address
Sammich thinks net earnings are what teams pay a left wing to be a net front presence on the power play.
I really don’t think sammich understands the game well enough to make that connection lol
I don’t think he understands anything. Same, please address this thread.
Tocchet to Zona official 🙁
Now if only JM leaves as well. I’d be curious to see how well sully would look
Still better than Mike Johnston, who you claimed was an excellent hire for the Pens.
You mean 2 time cup winner was simply a product of his assistants? BOTH of whom were there with Johnson? I mean Martin coached Ottawa for over a decade and never won a fucken thing, He should let “Sully” fuckk his wife for what he did for JM
Sully finally carried a french canadian coach to a Cup.
According to Forbes, 8 NHL teams lost value in the past year, including all 7 Canadian teams.
I like that this daily five is clearly marked as the penguins edition. I almost confused it with the steelers edition and the cal u edition.
I typically hate All Star Games/Events, but the homerun derby last night was pretty awesome. More exciting, fast paced format that forces the batter to let the juiced balls fly.
I thought you like high scoring games that entertains you. Didn’t you say you don’t like low scoring events fatso
#Oups.. amirite sammich?
I really wish you’d quit embarrassing yourself. It’s so awkward for the rest of us to watch.
Since we’re comparing apples to oranges… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD09Vk0XkAAxAFb.jpg
Thats guaranteed money for 20 starting NFL QBs, compared to 3 NBA players
It’s pretty nice when you only have to pay 3 legit guys on a basketball team, no?
I mean seriously, its simple math lol. Sure there are plenty of factors that leave NHL stars relatively poorer than other sports’ stars, (TV deal, bad marketing, Canadian dollar) but this is the main one. NHL stars play less than 33% of the game most nights, compared to what? 80-90% for NBA stars? Its a perfect storm of less revenue and the need to build a complete team.
It’s the laziest of lazy arguments, quite honestly. Not even a discussion worth having. It’s eye-roll worthy. Would have been better off taking out that 1/5 of the daily 5 and putting in something about the Tyler Johnson contract.
Oh jesus christ. I didnt even realize he called it the Daily 5. Not this shlt again lol
It’d at least be funny if he took the “Daily” 5 and, did it sporadically with either 4 or 6 different blurbs. At least the irony would amuse me.
The fact that plenty of teams rely on healthier teams to pay their shitt Florida for instance
English mother fuckerr… do you speak even a little of it?
Last I checked the NBA doesnt have 7 Canadian teams and the Canadian dollar weighing it down.
So because of 7 Canadian teams there is a big gap between NBA salaries with nhl. More like him have a lot of non profitable teams in the league. Florida, Carolina, Dallas, new Jersey, islanders, Anaheim, San Jose, Arizona. Tampax.
San Jose is the 13th most valuable team worth 470MM and net earnings of 7.1MM – Forbes
Dallas is the 12th most valuable team worth 500M and net earnings of 20.9MM – Forbes
NYI is down at 18th worth 385M buuut net earnings of 2.7MM
Tampa is not a valuable franchise per-say but did have net earnings of 3MM
All of the ones you listed actually come in ahead of Ottawa(20th at 355M and 6.3M in earnings) and Winnepeg(21st at 340M and 11.4M in earnings) but somehow they were curiously left off of Sammich’s list. Dallas, which makes more than Ottawa & Winnipeg together, makes the list of non-profitable teams but neither of those far less profitable teams do. Curious to say the least.
Also when looking at just revenue generated, Edmonton comes in at 21st in the league bringing in 117M and Winnepeg comes in all the way down at 26th with 112M in revenues.
When presented with this info, sam will now hover in teh background for a day and a half, merely thumbs downing people and avoiding responding until people forget what a moron he was so he doesn’t have to answer for it. Sam!
Sam doesn’t understand the definition of a loss leader, or a the time it takes to establish a franchise. Take Arizona for instance. The royally fuckedd up building that arena in Glendale. But Phoenix proper is a HUGE tv market, and you need a presence there, period. So they need to fix the mistake, and ice a decent product, and they’ll have no problem filling that arena (unlike Ottawa and Montreal, where one can’t sell out a playoff game, and the other is empty in mid February because they don’t care once their goaltender got hurt and the team started… Read more »
“Him have lot of non-profitable teams in the league.” Sam – what indian tribe are you a member of?
As for the whining about Crosbys money… Brodeur made an entire career and multiple contracts taking far less than the PA wanted him to take in order to win… but fuckk Sid for wanting to put the teams competitiveness over his own pocket book… one augmented by endorsements by about 4 – 5 million a season
I’m surprised DePaoli didn’t mention how much money Gordie Howe left on the table by playing 5 decades ago.
Wonder if Americans players would do that for their teams
We know Russians do… right Geno?
Not sure about Americans but we know for sure that most Canadians don’t as evident by the Toews & McDavid contracts.
Tyler Johnson got a nice little contract, didn’t he?
Guess thats what happens when you have a 23 man Roster where everyone plays vs a 12-13 player roster where 5 play the lionshare
Here’s the thing about Kessel…he is what he is, and what he is, is exactly what they needed, and a main reason they now have 5 Cups instead of 3. He doesn’t need to “block shots.” Honestly, him being a threat on the power play from the boards opposite of where Sid / Geno insist on parking themselves after years of the power play running through only one side of the ice is reason enough to laud him.
It is almost like people never seen him play before and/or were expecting a complete change in his game once he left Toronto. He is an offensive threat period. Guy has a quick strike ability and playing him deeper in the roster adds a depth component most cannot match. It remains to be seen if Sullivan and Kessel actually have issues because it’s only D, Pittsburgh’s Steve Simmons?, reporting it
Lot of balls calling it the “daily” 5.
I wonder what Sakic realistically wants for Duchene. You’d think that with his cap hit and low production last year, Maatta, a first and a mid-tier prospect would be somewhat close. It was said that Sakic didn’t view Ryan Murray as highly as some might because he couldn’t crack the CBJ top 4. Maatta just won two cups playing in our top 4 and is slotted as such going into the year. He’s affordable as well, especially if you view him as a top 4 with upside. I’m also curious to see how the Sheary situation plays out. We have… Read more »
yes, I was thinking matta, 2018 #1, and Kuhnackel or Wilson for Duchene and having them absorb 1M per year of his contract. That would still leave us cap space to get a defenseman at the trade deadline if needed.
Guentzel Crosby Hornquist
Sprong/Sheary Malkin Kessell
Hagelin Duchene Rust (Best Speed Line in NHL)
Wilson Cullen/Rowney Reaves
* Archibald and Aston-Reese on the ready
Ruhweidel/Pouliot Hunwick (acquire someone at deadline)
Section 1 is ass backwards, crosby and geno signed massively front loaded deals, they were rewarded substantially by getting the money all upfront, time value of money depaoli
D how can you talk bad about Chubby he is amazing player just ask coachdick head. Oups I meant coach D and box score experts zeroTool and shitstain they will tell you all the BS you need to know . I would also invite you to ask Npl but that fat slob has no clue what he is still watching yet
This guy started watching the NHL in 2005.
The best is sam still thinks he is on to something despite the FACT that since Kessel arrived this team has 2 cups and Phil was the best player on the ice in May to June 2016 period.
Thanks for the right info Mr Box Score
You mean that Kessel was the best player in 2016… no problem, we knew you’d figure out eventually
LOL, this guy youre suckling from is wrong almost as often as you are… hope you enjoyed your little bit of vindication based on one of Ds sources tho lol
Also how did you manage fuck up spelling oops?
An explosion of insight.