SCUDERI TRADE TALKS HEATING UP
[hide] The Pittsburgh Penguins and New Jersey Devils have had substantive talks in recent weeks in a deal that would send Rob Scuderi and high draft pick/prospect to the New Jersey Devils in exchange for winger Ryane Clowe who is not expected to play hockey again due to concussion issues, sources tell Inside Pittsburgh Sports.
In the scenario the Penguins would get immediate cap space by placing Clowe on long-term injured reserve and pay him not to play for the remaining three seasons. Clowe is due $14,550,000 over the next three seasons.
Notable prospects who have been discussed in talks include Scott Wilson, among others, according to a source.
Any deal of this magnitude, though, has been described as being “extremely” complicated and unlikely due to the Penguins pending sale and the Devils needing to get Clowe’s permission to make such a trade as he has a full no trade clause.
“A tough situation to be in,” a long-time front office type said of Shero moving Clowe’s contract. “It’s embarrassing for a player whose career is over to be traded [in a paper move] and knowing Ray that would be a tough conversation for him to have [with Ryane].”
However, from New Jersey’s end the scenario is said to be very attractive to them because of a savings of over $7 million in cash.
“Pittsburgh really wants to get something done,” another league source said. “They’re looking into everything and [certainly] trying to get creative.”
One Eastern Conference executive claims Pittsburgh has been talking scenarios with other Eastern Conference teams too, willing to move their second round pick acquired from Vancouver that was intially Anaheim’s in 2016.
New Jersey has a level of interest in Scuderi to provide veteran leadership on the backend and to bolster a penalty kill unit that ranked 21st in the NHL last season but it’s going to cost the Penguins a high draft pick and or a mid-to-top level prospect to swing any deal for Scuderi between now and the start of the regular season.
Scuderi has been held out of the preseason lineup for the second straight night.
NOTES:
Penguins head coach Mike Johnston said today that Nick Bonino is dealing with an illness….Bobby Farnham and Tim Erixon are day-to-day with injuries….. [/hide]
Point being….sure letang had a goal…and as retard sam suggests that eliminates him from any criticism hes ever got…..so with that retarded logic that sam so often institutes bennet is a better player than crosby since he has scored more in the pre-season that him
Bennet hs more goals than crosby this pre-season
Apparently letang sucks even with h first game of the year with 4 assist tonight pens should trade him he is overpaid. Just like Stan said
Won’t get to watch the game until 3am on NHL Network, anyone stand out? Anyone bring it every bring?
Sprong or Plotnikov for rookie of the year? McDavid and Eichel will bust. Vote below…
Bennett injured yet?
Franson a Leaf yet?
Three Russian Pens on ice at same time …….Sam has to be rolling and rolling over.
I would say trade Scuderi and sign Franson, but i heard he was signing with the Leafs.
So hard to tell if the Pens are playing eally good or if the Canes are just playing that bad.
That’s called the kessel effect
Im sure youll figure it out and write a book to explain it for us lol
Combination of both
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Anybody got a link to the game?
Hey Stan letang sucks and is overpaid
Would love to see this trade happen. For the simple fact of pure enjoyment watching these two gms negotiate. For all shero blunders he pulled off a few insane deals in hossa neal and kunitz. Gmjr to his credit done a lot more in a shorter period of time.
Classic Pens, it’s a myopic move unless the devils eat some (a lot) of Clowe’s salary. Clearing up cap space is understandable, clearing up cap space to sign Gonchar is asinine.
shero can also take his one and only Beau Bennett
Hopefully they will throw you in the deal, we will take back a roll of used toilet paper and a bag of burning cat shit… thats all youre really worth.
What does jay think?
Jay thinks the timing is very odd, the deal is a fair package and what it should cost for a Scudder salary dump but it’s a deal they should have made a month ago so that the savings could have been used to upgrade the questionable d.
Maybe another move is in the works?
scuderi deal wouldve been better if there was other defense available not gonchar available losing scuderi will make pens weaker in the D department . I would much rather let lovejoy go than scuderi in a deal
at this point the pens have to do whatever it takes to dump all of the shero dead weight. scuderi can be 1st. kunitz should go next. dupuis will probably suck this year too. he should be 3rd.
No reason to get rid of dupuis. Still has speed, good pker, and may very well go back on ltir
If this is the extent to which they’ll go to dump scuds, they should have just bought him out. If they wait ’til next season the buyout is significantly cheaper. That idea sounds ridiculous to me. I get the cap savings, but I don’t believe you can place a player on LTIR until the first day of the new season. So every Off-season Clowes salary is back on the books.
And? You have to cap compliant by specific dates therefore its a moot point
That’s what I’m saying. I know you’re allowed a certain “overage” in the off season but don’t know the figure.
If flyers were able to do it with pronger for many years without a problem highly doubt pens will have a problem
Always wanted clown as a pen but not like this.
Not sure if a typo, or a jab at Sam…
Honestly autocorrect but I’ll leave it as is for amusement purposes
In that scenario the Pens should be getting something in return. I’m pretty sure worst case we can move Scuderi if we $2 million of his contract/year (which would make him costs another team 500k next year). So basically we would be eating 14.55 million in cash to generate 2 million extra/year in salary cap space for 2 years. We would definitely need to get something back. Maybe even a 1st round pick. Think like an owner would you prefer $10 million in your pocket or a first round pick? Why would the Pens want to free up cap space… Read more »
May have to do with the fact that there are other assets on the blueline they would not wanna risk sending to the minors… Gonchar is in the picture. Making sure they have ample cap room for deadline moves.
Cause Cleandening or Gonchar are worth $11 million this year.
Scuderi would free up 3.85 in cap space… clowe adds 0 to the cap. That would allow the team so sign Gonchar and would make sure that we dont have to attempt to push Clendenning through waivers and hope he makes it. The remainder would give ample space for a playoff run addition worth a quite a lot
Scuderi only clears up 3.35 million in cap space. And cleandening who i’m guessing the spot would be for would eat up probably 800k of that.
If you really think 2.5 million in cap space and cleandening are worth $11 million dollars to ownership then that is very odd.
After this year we should be able to trade Scuderi while eating very little salary. His cash costs are only 2.5 million next year.
You are comparing 3 years to one… the cap relief for one year vs the 3 years left on Clowe’s contract. I am not sayin the money exchange is a great idea but when you consider that the Pens are up against the cap by less then a million when including potential bonuses the 3.375 on Scuds gives them a lot more flexibility. That number is without whatever they probably sign Gonchar for and without consideration of Clendenings money. From a roster management perspective and making sure you have the space needed for this year (especially after last years epic… Read more »
They only save serious cap money this year. When there is no one left to sign. So whats the point? Next year Scuderi is owed 2.5 million in actually cash. So that is the max he willl count against our cap if we trade him. More than likely we can pay 1.5 million and move him to a non-cap team willing to pay him 1 a year. So unless we have someone we want to sign right now for 3-4 million then the added cap room this year doesn’t really matter. And next year we can get his cap hit… Read more »
Was typing quickly at work… couldnt give this all my attention. Ya Scuderi is making 2.5 next year my bad. That said according to Hockeyscap.com which seems to accounting for all bonuses the team may not have a otn of cap space so, in order to carry Clendenning, Sarge and have space at the deadline we may have to shed salary.
As for NJ and the insurance… the team is teetering on bankruptcy, for them every thousand matters
If its to sign Gonchar/Clendening then a cheaper way to do this is to put Scuderi in the minors. That clears I believe the veteran minimum from the cap. Scuderi’s cap charge would be Current cap hit – vet minimum. That should be enough cash for either of those two guys. I thought we had more than 350k under the cap, putting scuderi in the minors to pay one of those two would be pretty cap neutral and a lot more cash friendly than taking on Clowes contract. Other option is of course to eat 1-2.5 million of scuderi’s/year cap… Read more »
Hard to gauge, I have checked 4 different cap pages and not one agrees. The 1st one I posted seems to be the only one considering the potential bonuses tho
According to nhl.numbers Scuds earns 4 this year and 3 next… the 7.5 is what the owners will be out
According to this page https://www.hockeyscap.com/teams/penguins we have 350M in space
If this page is correct we would not have the capital to sign Gonch (which seems like management really wants) nor keep Clendenning from the waiver wire.
Another thing to consider… how much of that money is actually paid via insurance?
A fair trade would be Scuderi for Clowe with NJ eating 9.5 million of Clowe’s contract. That would essentially give NJ Scuderi for free the next two years.
$7M is a lot of money but to a lot of sports team owners they want to win. Not to mention if we get another round in the playoffs and have more options next year b/c of this move then it’s all worth it.
Maybe the worst trade idea I’ve ever heard. Why wouldn’t the Pens get the draft pick back?
You mean the idea that Jersey would be willing to take a huge contract that they cannot hide while we get to bury one giving us cap space is not enough? You would request a pick? I mean 1st off the pick would be moot because it would be garbage really but at the end of the day why would they have to sweeten the pot for us?
Because of the cash cost of the contracts. Scuderi os only owed 5.5 million the next two years. I also think there are teams that value scuderi at a price >0. The Penguins did not very long ago since we didn’t buy him out. Meanwhile Clowe is 14.55 million owed but counts 0 against the cap. Basically increases the Devils owners profits by 9-11 million next year. Repolacement 6/7 D would costs about 1 million minimum so this trade increases his profits by $11 million if he plays Scuderi in a 6d role. Which is fine because the Devils should… Read more »
Why not just send Scuds to the minors and let a team claim him? If not, then he is in the minors. No need to trade a pick and take on more salary. Makes no sense.
His salary will count against the cap even if he is in the minors unfortunately.
Who’s going to claim Scuderi at full price?
WOW, what a shit show… Cap relief is nice but pissing away that kind of cash is crappy
We are not paying it so who cares if the team gets some cap space lol.
thanks shero!