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Will Riley Sheahan still be the Penguins third line center by next Tuesday?
As mentioned here multiple times in recent weeks, Sheahan’s uptick in play over the last month won’t halt the Penguins pursuit of Derick Brassard.
And it hasn’t.
A week away from the trade deadline, Brassard remains the top target for the Penguins brass and a player the organization views as a game changer at the third line center spot.
Brassard is an interesting target this week. Sens need to make a hockey deal. Multiple teams, including Pittsburgh, are in the mix.
— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) February 19, 2018
The belief is the obstacle in talks for the Penguins and Senators coming together on a deal that works for both sides isn’t any reluctance from Pittsburgh including Daniel Sprong or a first rounder for Brassard.
That has already been established, per sources.
It’s the coveted established young NHL forward (23-26 years old & on a good contract) piece the Senators are trying to get in any Brassard deal.
If Conor Sheary fits that criteria for Ottawa, the feeling in some circles around the league is that Pittsburgh and Ottawa would have already completed a Brassard deal by now.
League sources say the Senators have been doing a lot of homework/scouting on a small group of Penguin forwards they may seek in a Brassard deal and RTo read this insider news, subscribe to get “Inside Access”!
MORE TRADE DEADLINE BUZZ
Sabres GM Jason Botterill is said to be finding a very tough market of buyers for winger Evander Kane. As recently as this weekend, a source close to the situation said the Sabres had little to nothing cooking on the Kane front and things with Kane may go right down to the final hours of deadline day.
One NHL executive [hide] predicted to me the return the Sabres get for Kane is going to be much lower than anticipated 2-3 months ago.
“Botts [Jason Botterill] desperately needs Nash to go first and hope a contender gets antsy,” the executive said of the current market for Kane.
No one wants to set the market yet.
— Hearing today Benoit Pouliot remains a consideration from the Penguins, despite Zach Aston-Reese’s emergence and Patric Hornqvist close to returning.
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— The Rangers are willing to deal Michael Grabner to Pittsburgh or Washington, two division rivals with interest, but at least in Pittsburgh’s case, the Penguins believe New York To read this insider news, subscribe to get “Inside Access”!
After their clutch OT loss to the Flyers, Montreal has improved to 14th place in the East.
In fairness they’ve played one more than the Sens… really they are out playing Buffalo and that’s pretty much it lol
In light of the Habs holding a guaranteed no L tonight, it’s worth noting that Sullivan is 7-3 vs Philly since he rescued the Pens from that nightmare called Johnston!
The Habs took a nice sam in their pants tonight. Hard to believe when chubster guaranteed they would play the spoiler. I guess it really isn’t that hard to believe, after all.
Habs had the game up until fellow American pacioretty scored on price. Tbj you were right you can count on your pacioretty
Nice call Sam! They really played spoiler, dumba$$. God forbid your overpayed fraud of a goaltender stops a point shot that never leaves the ice. I guess the 3 goals on 33 shots is the best we can expect of him.
Hey box score. By far best player for habs tonight was price. By Farr. But your pea brain judges based 3 goals on 33 shots.
Whoever Farr is, he’s wrong.
*By Farr
Not Sure!
Would have needed 4 to win hey… funny how you can defend Price… and MAF with that same level of production
BahHahHah Habs sam’d sown their leg did they! What a choke job… maybe if they had a team in front of Price and a GM that wasn’t a total fucken idiot you would have seen a W tonight big guy
Tampa up 2 on wash, why didn’t we resign kuni for what he got In tb?
Given their tight cap situation as it is, Im guessing even 2M was too steep for a 38 year old 4th liner with a lot of mileage on him. Hes had a solid year in TB, but all of those had to be factors last summer
Not to mention the tax situation in FLA means that’s closer to 3 to 3.5 million in any other team
On that note it’s not like it’s Kunitz doing the damage, Kucherov is a beast, Stamkos is back and the emergence of guys like Pointe and Gourde are why the Lightning are killing it
Here’s to hoping the habs handle Philly tonight, although I think we all know how that will play out.
They are the habs. Not the pens to choke vs the flyer’s. Dont worry habs will play the spoilers for the pens and wont need minimum 4 goals in order to win for price
The only time we lost to Philly when it mattered was when Fleury melted down. Thanks for reminding us. Tied going into the third, but maybe Pacioretty will do something. He’s our only hope.
Or they lost because of Db peewee hockey system that he picked off. By witching mighty ducks movies
“Witching”… you mean the same DB who has won more Stanley cups than the Habs have since the night you were conceived in a “gangbang event”
“Not the Pens to choke vs the Flyers” – hey retard, who did the Pens beat on the way to the finals in 08 and 09?
You’re such a fucken frauds. Habs fan sitting on the Pens bandwagon because Troy Crosby had the misfortune of playing for that franchise.
It’s so much fun watching them suck out loud… too bad they are ruining Price. With any luck he can be rescued like Subban was… fuckk you sam, fuckk you and your gaping, festering, prolapsed drooling asshoIe
Nice call chubster!
I miss the Eric Staal, Matt Cooke, Tyler Kennedy line.
I bet you miss db and Orpig as well
I miss Mike Johnston, since you told me he would be more successful than DB.
ZAR, Sprong and a 1st for Brassard. Fair deal.
Montreal would do that deal.
I hope they don’t trade ZAR. He would make a great Hornqvist 2.0 if 72 doesn’t re-sign.
Npl’s mom traded yet ?
So how is this not a personal agenda?
Lol I knew it wouldn’t take long.
Trade everything
#blowitup lol. We’ve seen that suggestion before
Hello. New to the boards. Where does hornqvist fit in at this point? 4th line winger? Could he be dealt to clear up the space for a brassard? He has been clutch the last couple years but if Reese can take his spot, why not if they don’t plan on resiging in the off-season. Just make sure it’s to a west coast team 🙂
Welcome to this site. Let me take you to a tour. You have few people on this site they have personal agenda on everything you’ll say along with multiple accounts to give you thumbs down you will know about that’s after my Post because they will most probably respond.
So funny that everyone else has talked hockey so far but you. I guess what I am saying is that your agenda is paper thin and transparent!
Hornqvist is entrenched in a top 6 role when he’s in the lineup. His skillset fits perfectly with Geno and Sid. I think the sample size is too small with ZAR to bank on him to take over that role, but it may have an impact in the off-season. With what he’s brought the last two years, I certainly don’t think he’ll be dealt, but could see Sheary moved, especially for an impact winger. We have solid winger depth, but with Kessel and Guentzel on the third line, how many top six wingers do we really have?
The major difference between Hornqvist and Reeses, it seems so far, is the passion in which they play. Hornqvist ignites the team. I really hope they can keep him. He is still a mainstay on the PP and is very capable of 20 and 30 for 50 which would keep him in the top 6. Heart and soul guys that can play at that level are not as common as we would like to see. I would be interested in keeping our version of Holmstrom longer but the deal has to make sense. Like tbj said, Reeses sample size is… Read more »
Agree totally. I’m not saying meant to trade him at all, just seeing where you envision him when he returns from injury. What will the lines look like? Wpuld assume the 2nd and 3rd lines stay the same.
Hornqvist Geno and Hagelin. Sid, Pacioretty and ZAR or Simon 🙂
HGH line. I like it.
Ya I am sure Horny is inked into the top 6… unless they wanna try him with Kessel
Btw, according to @BWildeRecrutes, Shaw is NOT available via trade but Galchenyuk is. There’s your next best 3C target if Brassard doesn’t work out.
What about anisimov?
With Holden and Kempny traded and Gudbranson re-signed, the demand for a Hunwick now goes up and the market is set–3rd rd pick (or higher cuz Hunwick is signed for 2 more years). Not that many good D-Men available after Mike Green. Oduya is worse than Hunwick.
McDonagh? Jack Johnsons name is out there too
Yeah those guys too. Although McD is wildly overrated and Johnson will demand a lot as well. Hunwick won’t demand that much and can log 18-20min/game.
McDonaugh is highly overrated I think, very good player but I am not sure he is the true number one as he is billed as in NY. Someone is going to badly overpay for him
Jack Johnson name I heard been a month and mcdonagh name been around for last 1.5 week or so
I also said few weeks ago jack Johnson is better then most of our D and coming to play with sid would wake up his career
Agreed, maybe we can get rid of the headache contract that Letangs is becoming for Johnson and then dump Hunwick and use the rest to add Green… thats a lot of depth
End of the day no one gives a **** about you thinking Johnson makes sense because he has struggled throughout his career to maintain a certain pace and the cap room may be hard to come by.
Also all those names have been on the trade bait page since December/Jan
Grabner would be fun to watch on the PK as well.
I don’t care if any of these deals are legitimate, I just like the speculation!!
Time of the year to drool. At least you are not like some here drooling over doan for past 5 years in a row
that was you, you specifically used Doan as your counter to Kessel ffs
PS, you already told us about your infected, prolapsed, gaping, festering, asshoIe… no one cares
I think grabner is a UFA though after this year. I said brassard cause he’s signed for next year too
I think Grabner could be had for less however, part of that is the lack of contract
With Sheahans two way game and potentially more reasonable cap hit over the long run? What’s the point of upgrading at a position that may not need it. So maybe add a 4c upgrade and add a Grabner which is so much speed and reliable scoring. I like Sheary but would move on from him in a NY minute to get Grabner for him and change
Do you think a #1 and Gustavvson is too much for Grabner (since he is a rental)? With the way we sign good college free agents like Aston-Reese, Rust, Sheary, Di Pauli,, we could target some good ones this year to replace that #1 AND we have good young goalies in the system blocking Gustavvson. Under this scenario we get to keep Sprong and not have to dump much (if any) current player since Grabner has a low cap hit. Aston-Reese, Crosby, Grabner Hagelin, Malkin, Hornquist Guentzel, Sheary, Kessel Sheary, Rowney, Rust (but double shift Sid or Malkin a lot… Read more »
Yes, very much so. I know picks are currency and I know we are win now but I dont think Grabner is so needed that we drop our 1st AND one of the better goalie prospects not in the NHL to acquire him especially without term.
I dont think Grabner is make of break, with the emergence of Sheahan its a luxury. I would rather improve in the 4C position and add some depth to the blueline by moving Hunwick and replacing him with someone more suited for the system.
You can’t really compare Grabner and Sheahan. It’s not one or the other. Grabner can play on any of the lines and is a pure goal scorer with unreal speed. That’s a pretty special asset and given how Sully likes juggling lines, Grabs would fit right into our system.
Sure I can somewhat, depth was a concern and adding winger depth because of the fear over whether or not adding centre depth was possible without giving up a ton made it seem unlikely the Pens would solve the issue without rocking the boat. Adding a Grabner and making the Pens even deeper at the wing would have been an attempt to cover up the perceived weakness at centre. With Sheahan emerging as what seems to be a legit 3C it would mean that adding that quality of player at a position there is already a bit of a log… Read more »
“Adding a Grabner and making the Pens even deeper at the wing would have been an attempt to cover up the perceived weakness at centre”….I disagree with this. Adding a Grabner would be covering up a weak spot on the wing. Sheary has been incredibly streaky this year and even the past 2 seasons (and especially during last year’s playoffs). Adding a winger who plays more consistently and can be used in a variety of spots like Rust or Hags (which Grabner does) would be an improvement over Sheary. If they add a winger that means Sheary is getting dealt.… Read more »
Guess it comes down to believing whether or not we can win with the current group of wingers… I think we can because there is strength up the middle. They have won with a lot of these guys even streak Sheary. So while I am not opposed to an upgrade I dont think it is needed to such a degree that the Pens need to grossly overpay for a rental
I’m with you there, not necessary but it would certainly help. Especially if ZAR slumps or Horny gets injured again. Then 4th line wingers become exposed again like they are now (in addition to 4C).
Thats true but its likely the same for a lot of clubs. I look at TB and each of Gourde, Pointe and Johnson are all either really young and inexperienced or have had their ups and downs… while I wouldnt wanna bank on that it does show that we are not alone.
Either way I do want to add Grabner I just dont wanna give the Rags up front as because its high
Seems like most of what is mentioned up there in regards to Brassard takes more away than adds. Not sure they need to do that.
Send Ottawa sherry, hunwick and a 1st rounder for brassard…sherry and hunwick combine for 5.5 mil and brassard is at 5 mil this year and next
I could live with this
He just said they’re not interested in Sheary or it would be done. Cap space is one thing & not every GM is going to take bad players (Hunwick) for their good ones. Brassard is a commodity & you have to give to get, especially with other teams interested. If not JR then someone might overpay. I do think 1st rder, Sprong, & Sheahan is too much & then leaves a void. Sheahan is 25, a RFA with minimal output so Pens control his salary, even if it goes to arbitration. However I do think he’s only going to get… Read more »
Brassard is also signed for another year too, right? So not necessarily a pure rental like Kane is.
I wouldn’t trade Sheahan, but I’d give them Sheary or Kuhnhackl
Brassard over sheahan any day
Agreed, but at what cost? Is he worth taking on another 3mil in cap space on top of parting with assets (probably a first and prospect)?
I like Brassard, but I’m not sure I would make a strong push for him considering his cap hit wouldn’t let us make any other moves, especially with Sheahan looking as good as he does.
I agree. I say get a 4th line Center and fix that line. Sheahan has been a good pick up for us. Also, he has a good cap hit. Watch the Pens get Kane for Sheary and a 2nd or something less than what Botts wants.